Thursday, April 15, 2010

Safe gpu Tempature for my 7600gs?

I was playing Call of JuarezFor about 2 hours and my Gpu temp was up to78 C! Is this ok or safe? Also heres pics inside my case and airflow. Also this pic is older wires ans cable are neater. Plus My room temp is close to 80 F. Any info if i need it to rearrange things inside too thanks.Safe gpu Tempature for my 7600gs?
Your temperatures are fine. My heavily overclocked 7600GT idles 59C and under load hits up to 85C.Video cards are safe up to 100C and above, and nVidia's ''slowdown temperature'' is like 130C.Safe gpu Tempature for my 7600gs?
But my cardisnt overclocked and with that pci fan it should be cooler right?
PCI fans are pretty much useless, IMO... but I suppose it could be a bit cooler.I wouldn't worry about your temperatures though.
Should i bring my pci fan closer to the graphics card? or just turn up the speed from med to high?
or put it on low?
Anyone with more info?
Your temperatures are fine. Do whatever you want with the fan.
I have the same video card, the avarage temperature playing Half Life 2 and GuildWars is about 72C, so i guess you shouldn't worry.
Well fixing the cable magement should low the themperatures greatly, but that temperature is fine, my x1900xtx on stock cooler on my old rig and old case, got to 100C, I got 2 new cases after that and now its way overclcoked with the stock cooler, and it still remains quite cold.
Im sure it is fine but wow! My BFG 8800 GTS 640 was at 130 farenheit so that seems pretty high..
[QUOTE=''frizzyman0292'']Im sure it is fine but wow! My BFG 8800 GTS 640 was at 130 farenheit so that seems pretty high..[/QUOTE]Thats a mere 52C.
Sweet thats cool i wonder why it is so cool my cpu is 23c.. Well its watercooled (cpu)
[QUOTE=''04dcarraher''][/QUOTE]Is there a fan ontop in the front?

Front should be intake.
Back should be exhaust.
Top should be exhaust.
Most of the time, side should be intake.
[QUOTE=''LordEC911''] [QUOTE=''04dcarraher''][/QUOTE]Is there a fan ontop in the front?

Front should be intake.
Back should be exhaust.
Top should be exhaust.
Most of the time, side should be intake.[/QUOTE] Well that top fan in front of case is a turbine fan that moves 100 cfm outake only, well by puting that rear fan blowing in lower my cpu temp 5c. my sides are just vent holes. also the cables are a bit neater after the pic. but should i move that pci fan closer to the video card or just turen up the speed?
Anymore info about this?
Info?

tricking out my old PC...

Since i'm getting my XPS 410 soon, my obselete PC will become even more obsolete...I want to make it into somewhat of a gaming PC that can play games at med-high to high (not DX10 however)The specs are as follows:P4 2.4GHZ512mb RAM @ 333mhz80GB HDD @ 5,400 RPM (4.5GB left)nVidia BFG 5500FX OCPSU ???? i'm guessing 200-300WWindows XP2 discs drives (the exact same 2 that are coming in my new PC LOLOLOL)I'm looking at spending under $300 for the whole thing, obviously cuz ihave a case, monitor, speakers, and disk drives, and one HDD already...Use Newegg to find me the parts, eventhough i won't be using newegg. Imight actually check out a used computer parts store near me (one of my freinds built a CPU mainly from parts there)This would be great practice for building my own PC from scratch in the future, as well as giving me a PC at home if I ever come home for a break during College... (note i said ''if i ever'')* i also want to note thati want it to be a duo core 2, even if its a lower end one...tricking out my old PC...
if $300 is too low, just find me good as possible parts for the lowest price possibletricking out my old PC...
So far, how is this?http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103036http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134129http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814186025http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148236The GPU may not be what i exactly want, but I'm not sure what is the best for the price...
[QUOTE=''GANGSTA287'']* i also want to note thati want it to be a duo core 2, even if its a lower end one...[/QUOTE]



Ok...hold it right there. I just started to look, and then I saw that. What you want to do simply cannot be done, for several reasons. First off, your motherboard does not support C2D procs. I guarantee it. That means you're in it for a new mobo (minimum $60-$70, probably more). Since you have to upgrade your mobo, you'll have to buy new RAM, and you'll want at least a gig (roughly $80-$100). The new motherboard will have PCIe, not AGP, which I'm sure is what you have now. Thus you will need a new graphics card. Something in the 7 series should do you nicely (about $100). Finally, you actually have to buy that new processor (a minimum of perhaps $120 and much more expensive for anything good). You simply cannot do it for that kind of money. Not for anything close. Oh, and I almost forgot...if that's a prebuilt computer you're upgrading (a Dell, Compaq, etc), then you won't be able to use that copy of XP with the new mobo. The key is tied to the board. Now, if you want to just upgrade a few parts, and keep that processor (which is probably socket 478), then get a 7900GS and a gig of RAM. You may or may not need a new power supply to power that. You should be good then.
Well.. you chose an X2 3600+ which is not compatible with the motherboard you already have.. so you'll need a mobo as well.That RAM is notebook memory.. so you messed up there too.I'm thinking you have an AGP FX5500 right now, so that 7600GT wouldn't work... unless you got a new motherboard.. and here's a cheaper 7600GT.[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130062[/url]Nothing wrong with the hard drive though.
how do you know if it's compatible or not?
processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103733 $77ramhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231041 $35mo therboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138074 $70 graphics card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130062 $80 total=$266 which leaves you a little left over if you need a new powersupply
MSI K9N Neo-F motherboard.[url]http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813130050[/url]X2 3800+ (65W)[url]http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819103733[/url]eVGA 7600GT[url]http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814130062[/url]G.SKill 1GB DDR2 800[url]http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820231085[/url]$286.47 without shipping, although you could lower the price a bit by getting cheaper RAM.[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145573[/url]And if you need a power supply, FSP Group 400W[url]http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817104953[/url]
@Hiryuu_ %26 mastershake575



That's great, except he isn't going to be able to install that copy of XP on a system with a new mobo...which will add at minimum about $90 to the equation (assuming he can find an OEM copy or is a student and can get a discount...otherwise it will be more).

what resolutions does that 8800 GTX go to?

whats the biggest monitor that an 8800 gtx could run anextgen game on at max settings, n vidia says its powerfull enough to run the newest games at the highest resolutions but with the native resoluction of a 30 inch monitor being 2560x1600, could it handle a new game like bioshock at that without slow down?While this is all just conjecture because you dont know the wrest of the system or the bioshock requirements, (but think quad core and 4 gig of ram, no other bottlenecks), is their such a thing as a monitor thats too big, and would i be better off with a 24 or 26 inch?what resolutions does that 8800 GTX go to?
you should be able to max out those games on a 30inch monitorwith 30-40 FPS depending on how much memory you have and your processorwhat resolutions does that 8800 GTX go to?
hmm... Going over 1920x1200 doesn't make much sense to me, and how many games will even support resolutions greater than that?
[QUOTE=''kidkit'']hmm... Going over 1920x1200 doesn't make much sense to me, and how many games will even support resolutions greater than that?[/QUOTE]All the games that look good enough to want to go max them out...
If you have a 8800GTX and a resolution less than 1920x1200,you have OVERKILL.
[QUOTE=''AARONRULZ1''] If you have a 8800GTX and a resolution less than 1920x1200,you have OVERKILL.[/QUOTE] even if textures set highest, and 20xAA?
[QUOTE=''AARONRULZ1''] If you have a 8800GTX and a resolution less than 1920x1200,you have OVERKILL.[/QUOTE] even if textures set highest, and 20xAA?
graphics cards support such high res that you really never have to worry about it, i think it will be able to handle a 30 inch depending on the game you should get a healthy fps.
30'' Widescreen LCD @ 2560x1600.
[QUOTE=''353535355353535''][QUOTE=''AARONRULZ1''] If you have a 8800GTX and a resolution less than 1920x1200,you have OVERKILL.[/QUOTE] even if textures set highest, and 20xAA?[/QUOTE] The 8800GTX can't run 20xAA,besides 4xAA or 8xAA is more than enough,textures will be more dependant on the VRAM,768MB is more than enough.
A single GTX can drive a 2560x1600 monitor with over 30FPS provided you have a fast/powerful CPU pushing it. The second GTX doesn't get you double the speed - perhaps 30-50% more depending on the application. For example, Doom3 timedemo at 2560x1600 with 4xAA and high textures does about 90fps. SLI does 140.

what should i look for in a good monitor for gaming?

im looking to get an LCD monitor just for my 360 because there cheaper than hd tvs. Other than low response time, what else should i look for.this is the monitor im looking at as of now.http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1170290375913%26skuId=8268466%26type=productwhat should i look for in a good monitor for gaming?
High Contrast Ratiowhat should i look for in a good monitor for gaming?
so what are good contrast ratio's, the monitor im looking at has 700:1 ratio
anything over 800:1 is alrite.
[QUOTE=''Hott-FuzZ'']so what are good contrast ratio's, the monitor im looking at has 700:1 ratio[/QUOTE]i'ld go for a 1000:1 ratio or a 3000:1 This is what i'm thinking of for my PC: http://www.play.com/Product.aspx?title=3362511%26r=PCSH%26PRODUCT_TITLE=LG+22LS4R+22%22+Widescreen+LCD+Monitor+With+TV+Tuner+And+HDMI (upgrade after Xmas) it has HDM, built in TV tuner, remote and a load of other connectors plus it's 22'' widescreen, 5ms response time and has 3000:1 contrast.
I'd try to find something like this:Doesn't look like best buy carries it., new egg does.
low response timehigh contrast ratioresolutionsize
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  • crappy celeron d

    ok so i have a crappy ol celeron d 2.53 ghz in my computer.... im gettin my 2 gig of memory sometime next week and my x1550 pci graphic card later... im runnin on outdated stuff right now lol.. so i wanna switch out my processor but idk how to go about doin that... for onei dont know the socket number for my mobo.. and 2 i dont exactly feel safe messin with the mobo lol so ... help?crappy celeron d
    download a program called CPU-Z, that'll identify your CPU, Motherboard, chipset, and graphics portcrappy celeron d
    or, go to CPUID.com and download a program called PC wizard
    Since you're getting new RAM, a new video card, and apparently a new CPU too, why don't you just buy a cheap new motherboard while you're at it, and stick it in your existing case? PCI Express (PCIe) boards can be had for as little as $45.Then you'll have PCI Express to work with. PCI was a bus engineered in 1992, and not designed for today's high resolution GUIs and applications (especially games). The PCI X1550, like all PCI video cards, is ridiculously overpriced for what you get. If you're already running a ''modern'' integrated graphics solution, such as the Intel GMA 950, GeForce 6100, or Radeon Xpress, you probably won'teven get as big of a boost as you'd like, since PCI caps out at 133MB/sec. Even the AGP/PCIe version of the X1300 would be (much) faster than the PCI version of the X1550.
    [QUOTE=''My_name_a_Borat''] Since you're getting new RAM, a new video card, and apparently a new CPU too, why don't you just buy a cheap new motherboard while you're at it, and stick it in your existing case? PCI Express (PCIe) boards can be had for as little as $45.Then you'll have PCI Express to work with. PCI was a bus engineered in 1992, and not designed for today's high resolution GUIs and applications (especially games). The PCI X1550, like all PCI video cards, is ridiculously overpriced for what you get. If you're already running a ''modern'' integrated graphics solution, such as the Intel GMA 950, GeForce 6100, or Radeon Xpress, you probably won'teven get as big of a boost as you'd like, since PCI caps out at 133MB/sec. Even the AGP/PCIe version of the X1300 would be (much) faster than the PCI version of the X1550.[/QUOTE] very true but that would also mean getting new RAM (his one is proabably DDR2), like new everything which could be costly, but getting new mobo is in fact best choice.
    how much do you want to spend on a video card?you might want to get a new Power supply

    what would I need to.............

    max out games like STALKER or Bioshock or crysis on a 1280x1020 monitor?what would I need to.............
    8800 GTS 320 MB at the most.You could probably get away with a 7900GS or the like.what would I need to.............
    [QUOTE=''Hot_Potato''] 8800 GTS 320 MB at the most.You could probably get away with a 7900GS or the like.[/QUOTE] a 7900Gs will not max out crysis or stalker with AA and AF at that res, and still get a good frame rate. i think an 8800GTS would defiently.
    For STALKER, you'd need to get up with THQ and have them properly optimize the game.I can max out STALKER with my X1900XT at 12x10 without any apparent issues, aside from the occasional slow spot (which appear to be random, not when too much is happening). I don't doubt that the 7900GS should be able to handle that load as well.
    just a quick question, how does the 7900 GS compare to the X1900GT?
    It's overall better and once overclocked it's an amazing card.The X1900GT is still a great card though, considering you can find it for $115-130 nowadays. :)
    there around the same price here in uk, the 7900GS imo is just a great alrounder card.
    [QUOTE=''Hiryuu_''] It's overall better and once overclocked it's an amazing card.The X1900GT is still a great card though, considering you can find it for $115-130 nowadays. :)[/QUOTE] the only X1900GT I found on newegg.com was 215 dollars!:(
    [url]http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=327110[/url]It's gone up in price, but $131 is still a pretty decent deal.Edit- The cheap Sapphire X1900GT has been removed from Newegg. Seems like the card has truly been discontinued. =/
    [QUOTE=''Hiryuu_''] http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=327110It's gone up in price, but $131 is still a pretty decent deal.Edit- The cheap Sapphire X1900GT has been removed from Newegg. Seems like the card has truly been discontinued. =/[/QUOTE] If I was gonna spend that much on a DX9 GFX card, I'd just go for the 7900GS
    Let me tell you I could max stalker with a 7600GS with static lighting so anything better should max with dynamic. I would get a X1950PRo the 7900GS sucks comepared to it. ATi won the war last 3 gens imo.

    IE memory leak: need someone skilled with Javascript!

    I've had the notorious Internet Explorer memory leak as long as I can remember. All I know about memory leaks and Javascript is that 90% of the time it's caused by a faulty function. The script for IE's home page (AOL.com, ''ugh'') has only 4 of them; 2 at the beginning ---------------------function SymError() { return true; } window.onerror = SymError; var SymRealWinOpen = window.open; function SymWinOpen(url, name, attributes) { return (new Object()); }---------------------
    and 2 at the end---------------------
    function SymOnUnload() { window.open = SymWinOpen; if(SymRealOnUnload != null) SymRealOnUnload(); } function Sym****) { if(SymReal****!= null) SymReal****); window.open = SymRealWinOpen; SymRealOnUnload = window.onunload; window.onunload = SymOnUnload; } SymReal****= window.**** window.****= Sym**** --------------------- Does anyone know what's causing the link?Edit: For some darn reason, ''0nL04d'' filters out. IE memory leak: need someone skilled with Javascript!
    Let me introduce you here good sir, FirefoxIE memory leak: need someone skilled with Javascript!
    Lolz, I haven't used IE for over a year! My mom uses IE (I really want her to convert to Firefox or Maxthon) and I can't delete it because the applications (2 of them!) come back so quickly.
    Here's what you do: install firefox, then go here: [url]http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/firefox_internet_explorer/[/url]
    That's genius!

    Have you tried updating to the most recent version of IE?

    [QUOTE=''theragu40'']Here's what you do: install firefox, then go here: [url]http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/firefox_internet_explorer/[/url][/QUOTE]How is that gonna fix it? It just changes FF's skin, which I don't want.
    [QUOTE=''DarkQuark''][QUOTE=''theragu40'']Here's what you do: install firefox, then go here: [url]http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/firefox_internet_explorer/[/url][/QUOTE]How is that gonna fix it? It just changes FF's skin, which I don't want. [/QUOTE]Yeah, thats definitely the wrong thing there...although there are some guides online to replacing IE with Firefox.
    As in physically replacing IE? Googling ''internet explorer replacement'' only gives alternative browsers for IE that do not physically replace IE. Do you know where to find links on what I want?
    [QUOTE=''DarkQuark'']As in physically replacing IE? Googling ''internet explorer replacement'' only gives alternative browsers for IE that do not physically replace IE. Do you know where to find links on what I want?[/QUOTE]It involves editing the registry and while I used to have a link to a guide when I had to reload Windows I lost all my old bookmarks..so I don't have it anymore. Pretty much it entails going through the HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT folder in the registry editor and replacing all the instances of internet explorer with the location of Firefox.Although I believe there are some programs that automate it I don't know them by name and surely can't vouch for them. Basically its very difficult to really get rid of Internet Explorer as getting rid of it in the Add or Remove Programs tool just disables it and its tied to integral parts of the operating system so you can't just delete all the files relating to it.
    ...or you can just set your default browser to firefox, and then anything that opens in internet explorer will open in firefox. It's NOT a good idea to get rid of IE completely...some sites (particularly microsoft's site) require it. In those instances, I just use IE tab in firefox, but you need IE installed of that to work. Anyway, OP, why is that skin changer not what you need? It will make firefox look, feel, and browse just like IE, except you will have all the security and open-source benefits of firefox.
    Have you tried installing actual Java instead of Microsofts shoddy VM?www.java.com

    fully uninstalling norton?

    i am about to uninstall norton. i was just wondering is there any special way to uninstall it compleatly off my pc?fully uninstalling norton?
    anyone have any input? thanksfully uninstalling norton?
    If I remember correctly, they have a little tool on their site that allows you to uninstall it completely. Otherwise little pieces of it stay on your system.
    Norton removal tool is what your looking for.
    Ah thank you for doing the work I was too lazy to do. Good man.
    lol no problem :)
    should i use add and remove programs first, then use Norton removal tool? or just the tool and that is it? thanks
    [QUOTE=''gregdpw'']should i use add and remove programs first, then use Norton removal tool? or just the tool and that is it? thanks[/QUOTE] use the uninstal on add%26 remove.... athen norton tool.
    cool thanks!
    [QUOTE=''gregdpw'']should i use add and remove programs first, then use Norton removal tool? or just the tool and that is it? thanks[/QUOTE]That tool won't remove any more of Norton than Add or Remove Programs will. The removal tool is designed for situations when Norton refuses to uninstall using normal methods, usually due to a failed or damaged install. If Norton willing uninstalls from Add or Remove Programs, the Norton Removal Tool is redundant.
    That's true, but I would be surprised if he is actually able to uninstall it completely just using the Add or Remove Programs tool. Norton is rather resilient
    No no no. The removal tool removes a bunch of stuff that a regular uninstall doesn't, files deep down in your system and what not. use the removal tool ONLY. uninstalling in the add/remove programs, then running the tool is wrong. Use only the removal tool to COMPLETELY uninstall it. If you have problems with the tool (vista has issues with it) then do the regular add/remove programs uninstall.

    9800 Vista Question PLEASE HELP!

    Ehhhh....So I recieved a new computer as a gift from my parents today...it's a basic model..but an upgrade IMO from my older computer...anywho this computer comes with an onboard ATI X1200...that is just a lil below my ATI 9800 PRO AIW thats in my old machine...Soooo I can't really play BF2 the way that I want it...on medium with a medium resolution...its just too bumpy with the x1200...so i was wondering if i could place my 9800 pro from my old XP machine into my Vista machine...DL the vista drivers...and BAM! it'll work fine...? I bet this is wishful thinking...and things never seem to work out that well...I just want a card to hold me out until I can upgrade to a DX10 card...I searched google for this answer, but nothing really...I see a bunch of people have the 9800 in thier dell with vista, but it came fomr dell like that...? PLEASE any help is aprechiated?anywho heres my current specs to my old specs..see what you guys think of the lil upgrade..AMD 64 X2 Dual Core 4000+ 1024 DDR2 Integrated X1200 250 Gig HDVistamy old machine (4? years old?)2.6 P49800 PRO AIW180 gig HDXPIt's a lil upgrade right? That processor seems to be a leap over my old one..thats all that matters cause I plan on upgradeing the vid card soon. 9800 Vista Question PLEASE HELP!
    going to vista will casue the game to run worse. Vista lows frame rates.. u need a new video card. if u have pci express x16 try to get a 7600GT its 94 bucks, or AGP(more expensive) version.9800 Vista Question PLEASE HELP!
    Video card: depends how long you can last with that x1200 beacause the G92 will be coming out in autom i think which should tower above the 8series, how about you ask for it for a christmas present RAM: always good to have 2 gigs but the video card will make more of a diffrence, when you want a performance boost and have some spare cash lieing about
    [QUOTE=''markop2003'']Video card: depends how long you can last with that x1200 beacause the G92 will be coming out in autom i think which should tower above the 8series, how about you ask for it for a christmas present RAM: always good to have 2 gigs but the video card will make more of a diffrence, when you want a performance boost and have some spare cash lieing about[/QUOTE]Thatprocwouldbottleneckeven8800GTSandyouaretellinghimtoget9800GTX.Hahah.Youaresoofunny.No,really.
    [QUOTE=''domke13''][QUOTE=''markop2003'']Video card: depends how long you can last with that x1200 beacause the G92 will be coming out in autom i think which should tower above the 8series, how about you ask for it for a christmas present RAM: always good to have 2 gigs but the video card will make more of a diffrence, when you want a performance boost and have some spare cash lieing about[/QUOTE]Thatprocwouldbottleneckeven8800GTSandyouaretellinghimtoget9800GTX.Hahah.Youaresoofunny.No,really.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure about it bottle necking a 8800gts, but the G92 series would encorage a large price drop on all video cards.Oh and spaces please next time it was near impossible to read.
    the X2 4000 will not be that much ofa bottleneck, i suggest getting either a 7900GS or a 8600GT
    Thanks everyone for the replies...alright...i posted this in the pc games forum also...and someone said that i should check if i have apg slots....cause newer computers don't come with them anymore...and sadly he is correct...So...I guess im going to have to live with the oolllllleee onboard 1200 for a lil bit...that $94 dollar card sounds like a deal...ill probably have to get that, but im going to wait a couple of weeks...why are you guys saying that my computer will bottleneck with the higher end card? because of me only having 1 gig? Or is is it because of my CPU? I figured my CPU was half decent...? Not top of the line, but a good leap above my other one...am I incorrect thinking this?
    also..i checked i have two more expansion slots so i could easily had another gig...I made sure I looked at that when I opened er up...again this was a pretty cheap computer, but i was hoping the cpu was going to be decent...so someone please comment on my cpu...i plan on upgrading this machine over the course of a couple years...and maybe eventually upgrade the mobo and cpu etc...just give me a lil commentary on the cpu haha. Thanks again everyone! alright another question...can i play halo 2 with the x1200! haha...now that i have vista...
    sorry for triple reply...but i found a good replacement gpu check er out...someone in another thread potsed this link..thanks to that guy!http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150229
    [QUOTE=''mrtywalsh'']Thanks everyone for the replies...alright...i posted this in the pc games forum also...and someone said that i should check if i have apg slots....cause newer computers don't come with them anymore...and sadly he is correct...So...I guess im going to have to live with the oolllllleee onboard 1200 for a lil bit...that $94 dollar card sounds like a deal...ill probably have to get that, but im going to wait a couple of weeks...why are you guys saying that my computer will bottleneck with the higher end card? because of me only having 1 gig? Or is is it because of my CPU? I figured my CPU was half decent...? Not top of the line, but a good leap above my other one...am I incorrect thinking this? [/QUOTE]yes we are talking about the CPU but i think it should last you a while, but i'm not sure how long because it looks like the processor companies (at least intel) is doubling the number of cores in their processors every 1.5 years
    yeah i heard about the quad core..and its just like that law...things just grow exponetionally...eh...new computer...firefox doesn't have spell check for some reason..?

    SLI for DX10?

    when i build my computer by the time there are some dx10 games out do you think it would be wise to get two 8800 gtx's if i want to max out everything on dx10 games at 1200 by 1920 res with a qx6700 and 4 gigs of ram? or do you think i should just get one gtx and see if it lags at all??SLI for DX10?
    get one 8800GTX and see what happens, the best thing to do would actually be to get a low profile card now then get the new 9xxx series that will definetly max out all dx10 for a good year imo.SLI for DX10?
    yeah thats true. its never really good to buy first gen hardware
    [QUOTE=''yoyo462001'']get one 8800GTX and see what happens, the best thing to do would actually be to get a low profile card now then get the new 9xxx series that will definetly max out all dx10 for a good year imo.[/QUOTE]Do you even know what a low-profile video card is? They are all garbage.I'm thinking you meant to say a lower-end or mid-range video card.
    [QUOTE=''Hiryuu_''] [QUOTE=''yoyo462001'']get one 8800GTX and see what happens, the best thing to do would actually be to get a low profile card now then get the new 9xxx series that will definetly max out all dx10 for a good year imo.[/QUOTE]Do you even know what a low-profile video card is? They are all garbage.I'm thinking you meant to say a lower-end or mid-range video card.[/QUOTE] lol yeah same thing really it was thefirst thing that poped into my head, and there not garbage. its like saying your house is garbage ....when compared to 10 million pound house.....
    [QUOTE=''yoyo462001''][QUOTE=''Hiryuu_''] [QUOTE=''yoyo462001'']get one 8800GTX and see what happens, the best thing to do would actually be to get a low profile card now then get the new 9xxx series that will definetly max out all dx10 for a good year imo.[/QUOTE]Do you even know what a low-profile video card is? They are all garbage.I'm thinking you meant to say a lower-end or mid-range video card.[/QUOTE] lol yeah same thing really it was thefirst thing that poped into my head, and there not garbage. its like saying your house is garbage ....when compared to 10 million pound house.....[/QUOTE]I guess it depends on your definition of garbage.
    [QUOTE=''yoyo462001''][QUOTE=''Hiryuu_''] [QUOTE=''yoyo462001'']get one 8800GTX and see what happens, the best thing to do would actually be to get a low profile card now then get the new 9xxx series that will definetly max out all dx10 for a good year imo.[/QUOTE]Do you even know what a low-profile video card is? They are all garbage.I'm thinking you meant to say a lower-end or mid-range video card.[/QUOTE] lol yeah same thing really it was thefirst thing that poped into my head, and there not garbage. its like saying your house is garbage ....when compared to 10 million pound house.....[/QUOTE]Let's see.. the best low-profile card out there is the crappy X1600Pro, which performs like the very outdated 6600GT.
    [QUOTE=''Hiryuu_''][QUOTE=''yoyo462001''][QUOTE=''Hiryuu_''] [QUOTE=''yoyo462001'']get one 8800GTX and see what happens, the best thing to do would actually be to get a low profile card now then get the new 9xxx series that will definetly max out all dx10 for a good year imo.[/QUOTE]Do you even know what a low-profile video card is? They are all garbage.I'm thinking you meant to say a lower-end or mid-range video card.[/QUOTE] lol yeah same thing really it was thefirst thing that poped into my head, and there not garbage. its like saying your house is garbage ....when compared to 10 million pound house.....[/QUOTE]Let's see.. the best low-profile card out there is the crappy X1600Pro, which performs like the very outdated 6600GT. [/QUOTE] so basically your saying every card is rubbish because in 5 years times the 8800GTX is will be rubbish, at the time it came out it was not crap, its like you expect them to only release high end cards, remember the most of the PC market uses rubbish graphics cards.
    I don't think you know what a low-profile video card is.
    educate me
    Half-sized video cards that are meant for people with small form factor cases.[url]http://tinyurl.com/38k8ud[/url]
    just buy a 7900gs for cheap right now then upgrade to a better card at the end of this year. and the quad cores are dropping prcies in half at the end of next month.
    its just that i thought we cleared this up before, i meant low-end card
    that will be sweet to get a qx6700 for 550 bucks
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  • Overclocking a P4 3.0Ghz HT. (Pity the noob)

    How would I do it? I've never really overclocked anything before. Is there just a program I use to set the clock speed? Also, I'm using an Asus P5GD1 mobo, a 350w PSU, and an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 CPU heatsink/fan. So how would I overclock the CPU, and what speed would be safe?Overclocking a P4 3.0Ghz HT. (Pity the noob)
    Well, not to be an ass or rude, You might want to start searching for forums dedicated to overclocking. It seems as though you might need to gain a better understnading of what is really involved in overclocking before you being playing around with any overclocking utilities or messing around in your Bios.One site I usually hang around is DIY-Street.com, formerlly DFI-Street...Overclocking a P4 3.0Ghz HT. (Pity the noob)
    from what my friend has told me about the temps of his P4 HT i'ld say no, but he's on stock cooling so post your personal temps plz
    First go to BIOS and hardware monitor or something like that. And tells your CPU temperature. It should be in Celsius.
    [QUOTE=''markop2003'']from what my friend has told me about the temps of his P4 HT i'ld say no, but he's on stock cooling so post your personal temps plz[/QUOTE]



    Your friend has a Prescott core. If this is a Northwoods core, he won't have any problems. Not that I suppose you know that, Sandro?
    [QUOTE=''theragu40''][QUOTE=''markop2003'']from what my friend has told me about the temps of his P4 HT i'ld say no, but he's on stock cooling so post your personal temps plz[/QUOTE] Your friend has a Prescott core. If this is a Northwoods core, he won't have any problems. Not that I suppose you know that, Sandro?[/QUOTE]\My prescott oced from 2.8 to 3.8 on stock cooling
    [QUOTE=''musclesforcier''][QUOTE=''theragu40''][QUOTE=''markop2003'']from what my friend has told me about the temps of his P4 HT i'ld say no, but he's on stock cooling so post your personal temps plz[/QUOTE] Your friend has a Prescott core. If this is a Northwoods core, he won't have any problems. Not that I suppose you know that, Sandro?[/QUOTE]\My prescott oced from 2.8 to 3.8 on stock cooling[/QUOTE]well ithink my friend's has some sort of problem in the cooling because any CPU that gets in to the 90s under load is'nt good
    I OCed my CPU to 3.6Ghz %26 temps were 41 C @ Idle. Normaly 3.06GHz is also 41 c @ Idle. Oh yeah I'm using a custom Cooler (Asus 1500 - 4500 RPM);)

    Help on somestuff

    OK this is what i am getting in the next couple of months.
    Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003
    $223.90ASUS P5N-E SLI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131142
    $129.99A-DATA 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211066
    $80.99EVGA 320-P2-N815-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130038
    $299.99Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-500 ATX12V 500W Power Supply 115/230 V TUV, UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817103937
    $69.99Antec Performance One P180 Silver cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129154
    $119.99i just need to know what kind of fans to cool everything down so it wont get very hot. and i am gonna sue my old harddrives- a 20 GB and a 80 GB. i will only use the computer for gaming so will those hardrives be enough? and where would i put the fans? suggestions for fans and other stuff would be nice.Help on somestuff
    I would get this RAM and this Case Other than that that looks like a nice comp. Oh yeah, I would get this Hard Drive considering some games are getting up to 10GB now a days.Help on somestuff
    10GB games? Doesn't sound realistic.
    what about the fan? thanks for the stuff tho
    [QUOTE=''jpazhman'']10GB games? Doesn't sound realistic.[/QUOTE]



    Haven't installed many recent games have you?
    Vanguard is 19.7gbs :? and I havent looked really past that lol my hdd is plenty big (150gb) just for games.
    As you all know, Im in the market for a new PSU. is that antec PSU really good?
    i dont know... but it does seem well. i can help u find one if u would like me to
    [QUOTE=''Hot_Potato'']I would get this RAM and this CaseOther than that that looks like a nice comp. Oh yeah, I would get this Hard Drive considering some games are getting up to 10GB now a days.[/QUOTE]The Adata ram is just as good with the possibility of being much better then that G.Skill...
    I would take a P180b over that TT, any day of the week.Though I do agree with you on the harddrive, or maybe a slightly larger one like a Seagate 320gb 7200.10 I believe they are about $80.As for fans, I would get a few Yate Loon 120mm fans.
    [QUOTE=''blacksorrow07'']i dont know... but it does seem well. i can help u find one if u would like me to[/QUOTE] that'd be great
    [QUOTE=''jpazhman'']10GB games? Doesn't sound realistic.[/QUOTE]flight simulator x takes up 14gb HDD space
    [QUOTE=''LordEC911''][QUOTE=''Hot_Potato'']I would get this RAM and this Case Other than that that looks like a nice comp. Oh yeah, I would get this Hard Drive considering some games are getting up to 10GB now a days.[/QUOTE]The Adata ram is just as good with the possibility of being much better then that G.Skill...
    I would take a P180b over that TT, any day of the week.Though I do agree with you on the harddrive, or maybe a slightly larger one like a Seagate 320gb 7200.10 I believe they are about $80.As for fans, I would get a few Yate Loon 120mm fans.[/QUOTE]a P180b over the P5N-E?
    the antec PSu will be great.
    [QUOTE=''blacksorrow07'']a P180b over the P5N-E? [/QUOTE]The P180b is a case... The P5N-E is not...I don't even know what you are asking...
    oh.. nvm then
    [QUOTE=''blacksorrow07'']oh.. nvm then[/QUOTE] :lol: HAHAHA
    =)

    Is a 10,000 or 15,000 RPM hard drive worth the extra cost?

    From time to time, I read that the hard drive can be the bottleneck in a gaming system, and that it's suggested to pony up for a WD Raptor-or, even more expensive-those 15,000 RPM SCSI drives.



    However, when I only want to spend 2000 US$, and want it loaded with hardware that'll last me a year or two without upgrades, getting such a drive really pushes the price towards the limit. If I just got a standard 7,200 RPM SATA drive, I could invest more in a graphics card, CPU, or RAM-or maybe I could just save the cash for a later upgrade.



    Your thoughts on high-speed and high-priced hard drives?Is a 10,000 or 15,000 RPM hard drive worth the extra cost?
    Don't bother, get a Seagate 7200.10 or Western Digital SE16 hard drive. They are the fastest 7200RPM hard drives and are a far better value over the Raptors.SCSI drives are a pain in the ass to deal with, so no..Is a 10,000 or 15,000 RPM hard drive worth the extra cost?
    get yourself a nice sata drive. There is a western digital 500GB that's very cheap right now.
    wow 10,000 and even 15,000 those are really really expensive though atm no there not worth it.
    I was lucky enough to get a 74GB Raptor for $80, but I would not say they are worth the price right now.
    Well, it looks like I made the right decision by dumping the 150 GB Raptor X and going for one of [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822136074]these[/url].



    Now, instead of being up at my 2000 US$ limit, I'm at 1729.90(sans shipping). Hell, I should probably step up my drive from a 320 GB to a 500 GB one...or, maybe even get two and RAID them!



    Or, I can step up the 8800 GTS to a GTX, but that means higher power consumption, a bulkier card, and a much heftier price tag for a few more FPS.
    The only real difference is your maps will load faster. I don't think they're worth the cost.
    It is worth it for many reasons. I have 150gb Raptor Xs and the thing flys. Of course I also have a 500GB drive for music/videos etc
    The high-rpm hard drives would have much better seek times. But simply having the drives spin faster is only one metric of what makes a hard drive fast. There is also the logic in the firmware, the buffer cache... and that's just on the hardware side.Western Digital's made some 10k-rpm SATA drives, but it didn't take hitachi long to be able to make a hard drive with significantly more space and a faster overall throughput because of better (internal) software.I would suggest a pair of Hitachi's and set them up in RAID 0 if you want improved throughput, which is the performance metric you're much more likely to see a difference when it comes to real-world use. Seek times are only going to matter significantly if you're doing a lot of file searching, so they'd actually be pretty solid for a web server or a file server seeing a lot of activity.There's also the issue of thermals... faster-rpm drives generate A LOT more heat and a significantly higher amount of noise. Those WD Raptors sure as hell screech like the **** raptors in Jurassic Park. But even with these, two of those in a RAID 0 just can't match the sheer throughput of what a pair of any quality SATA (or even SATA II) hard drives in the same RAID would do.
    I have heard that those high RPM speed drives perform better. But it also depends on the bus type and cache. A brand new installation of Win XP would take about 30-40 min on a 7200 drive, while it takes about 10 min on a scsi. Scsi hardware is expensive as well. You be the judge.
    Short answer: NoLong answer: HEEELLL NO, are you out of your mind?[QUOTE=''GRiMeY'']I have heard that those high RPM speed drives perform better. But it also depends on the bus type and cache. A brand new installation of Win XP would take about 30-40 min on a 7200 drive, while it takes about 10 min on a scsi. Scsi hardware is expensive as well. You be the judge.[/QUOTE]SCSI is not only overly expensive (something like ten times as costly) it also suffers from a dearth of hardware. For the cost of a 50GB SCSI drive you are looking at a FIVE HUNDRED GB SATA drive.
    Not to me.
    I'm using a 74gb raptor in my current pc. I like it and I can tell the drive is faster than my old 7200 sata drive, but lets just say I wouldn't buy another one. The price per gb is ridiculous and since 74gb isn't enough storage I only run my os off it and have all my games on a regular 7200 drive. It's a good drive if you want to shave a few seconds off bootup and some program load times but for the same price I'd just get a nice big 7200 or even better get two and put them in raid 0. For a little over $100 you could pick up two 160-250gb drives put them in raid 0 for 320-500gb of storage and their transfer rates would be better than a single raptor.
    I'm using a 74GB Raptor in my Shuttle portable system right now, and when my newer PC gets back from the shop it will have a 150GB Raptor. I used to have a 250GB Caviar a couple years ago, but it crashed after only a year of operation, so I decided to upgrade to the 74GB Raptor instead. The only thing that annoys me about the Raptor is that I have to keep uninstalling old games when I try new ones, because 74GB just isn't much space these days. However, it was noticeably faster in a number of tasks. After getting the Raptor I pretty much swore never to go back to 7,200RPM (and I haven't). One example would be loading a folder full of jpeg images in thumbnail view. The thumbnails appear noticeably quicker in the Raptor versus the old Caviar. In most games, however, there wouldn't be many performance differences that would be noticeable. The main danger of getting the Raptor, apart from the small size and high cost per GB, is that you will get addicted to the speed and won't be able to go back. If you want a big hard drive just for running games, however, you will be okay with a good 7,200RPM drive.
    Just wait for solid state hard drives to arrive... they will fly to a insane degree!
    [QUOTE=''daytona_178'']Just wait for solid state hard drives to arrive... they will fly to a insane degree![/QUOTE]They are already out, have been for a while. Suffice to say that they only top out at 8 GB's of storage right now and even the 8 GB ones are about 400 dollars US (492 CAD on TigerDirect.ca)
    I have one and I recommend it in terms of speed, but not in terms of price. I like it for video editing and general OS navigation, but I would in no way endorse anyone else to get it, for the money I spent on it I could have gotten a 500GB RAID setup. But I already have it and I like it, so oh well.Also, it is not that loud. I have some 7200 RPM drives that grind away much worse.
    I've got 2 WD 10,000 RPM drives in RAID 0. While the HDD itself is great, the improvement with RAID seems negligible.
    Are too expensive, 7200RPM are enough.
    Almost it is used for expensive servers or workstations. For gamer, RAID is a good ideal.

    Help a NOOB!

    Ok, i know a fiar bit about computers but when it comes to the inside of them. I'm as usefull as a pie. So i know for a fact i have crap video cards and sound cards. so i was wandering. can people leave a list of some of the more recent and decent video cards and sound cards. AND THEIR PRICES. TanksHelp a NOOB!
    First you should tell us what connectors your motherboard supports such as PCI, AGP, or PCI-E (possibly some combination of the three) I'm not too knowledgable about sounds cards so I can't help you there.Help a NOOB!
    and most people are not worried about sound cards only like 5% of gamers actually have very expensivesound cards
    Like i said im a noob so how do i check what my cpu supports?
    [QUOTE=''chromearrowz'']Like i said im a noob so how do i check what my cpu supports?[/QUOTE]Your computer should have come with a user manuel for the motherboard, look in there and it will probably tell you what your motherboard supports..better yet, tell me the model of your computer and I may be able to find out based on that.
    [QUOTE=''Runningflame570''] [QUOTE=''chromearrowz'']Like i said im a noob so how do i check what my cpu supports?[/QUOTE]Your computer should have come with a user manuel for the motherboard, look in there and it will probably tell you what your motherboard supports..better yet, tell me the model of your computer and I may be able to find out based on that.[/QUOTE] if you dont have the manual, download CPU-Z, and PC wizard from CPUID.com
    [QUOTE=''chromearrowz'']Ok, i know a fiar bit about computers but when it comes to the inside of them. I'm as usefull as a pie. So i know for a fact i have crap video cards and sound cards. so i was wandering. can people leave a list of some of the more recent and decent video cards and sound cards. AND THEIR PRICES. Tanks[/QUOTE]im just curious, what ''fair bit'' do you know about computers?just go to tomshardware after you figure out the video slot you have and compare video cards, then look up the price.

    sapphire x1950xt 256mb. or the bfg 256mb. 7950gt?

    hi everyone i cant decide between these two graphic cards and which one has a better overallperformance. i am planning to play the newest games on the marke such as oblivionand future games such as airborne.... im not sure if this ati card would be compatiple with my m2n sli asus board? can these two products work together? thx!!!!!sapphire x1950xt 256mb. or the bfg 256mb. 7950gt?
    X1950XT hands down.. as long as you have a good enough power supply for the card. :)sapphire x1950xt 256mb. or the bfg 256mb. 7950gt?
    the power is Thermaltake Purepower RX W0143RU ATX12V 550W Cable Management / Active PFC / 14CM Fan / Triple +12V Rails Power Supply - Retail
    I'm more of an Nvidia guy but go with the ATI
    X1950XT is better.
    Obviously the X1950XT, it is even faster than the 7950GT 512MB.
    See I told you im not stupid ;)
    xD i never said u were stupid i just said u were wrong :P
    [QUOTE=''stefanec1992'']xD i never said u were stupid i just said u were wrong :P[/QUOTE]



    Well still the X1950XT is the third best DX9 card. 1 being the 7950GX2 and 2 being the X1950XTX tho I think the XTX is discontinued. I couldent find any under 400 lol

    inspioron 9300 light leakage?

    does anyone have a 9300 from dell(inspiorion)i got one a year ago and read some reviews today that there is a light leakage problem on the lcd?on the bottom inch of the screen?is this true if so how can i tell if i have this problem?what does it do exactly.i did have my lcd replaced as of latley like two days ago,because there was a line of dead pixels that appeared out of nowhere.do you think they replaced it with a new lcd that wouldnt have this ?thanks guys.inspioron 9300 light leakage?
    Well, I'd say that you have no light leakage, since you're asking us how to notice it. :Pinspioron 9300 light leakage?
    [QUOTE=''My_name_a_Borat'']Well, I'd say that you have no light leakage, since you're asking us how to notice it. :P[/QUOTE]well i kinda noticinga little lighter effect on the bottom, now like only when the screen is blk,mabey im pariniod,thats why im asking?anyone else can help,i apprecitae the answer.
    ?anyone else?
    bump
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    anyone have one of these(inspirion p300)that can help?
    bump
    How many topics have you made with 10+ bumps please stop if anyone knows they will answer :|
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  • black screens during battlefield 2

    i was playing battlefield 2 last night and i got a black screen and my video card fan turned on high and then the computer game me either 6 or 7 long beeps. does anyone know why this is happening?black screens during battlefield 2
    well is it just during BF2? Is it in all 3D games? or is it all the time?black screens during battlefield 2
    [QUOTE=''353535355353535'']well is it just during BF2? Is it in all 3D games? or is it all the time?[/QUOTE]just during battlefield 2 that i have seen but after it does it once then it does it the following startup during loading windows. but i have always had problems with this card so im just going to RMA it.
    [QUOTE=''_SKatEDiRt_''][QUOTE=''353535355353535'']well is it just during BF2? Is it in all 3D games? or is it all the time?[/QUOTE]just during battlefield 2 that i have seen but after it does it once then it does it the following startup during loading windows. but i have always had problems with this card so im just going to RMA it.[/QUOTE]then why ask for help?
    [QUOTE=''skinnypete91''][QUOTE=''_SKatEDiRt_''][QUOTE=''353535355353535'']well is it just during BF2? Is it in all 3D games? or is it all the time?[/QUOTE]just during battlefield 2 that i have seen but after it does it once then it does it the following startup during loading windows. but i have always had problems with this card so im just going to RMA it.[/QUOTE]then why ask for help?[/QUOTE]because i wanted to see if i could fix it before i had to go and spend my money RMAing it.
    k.. you said it like you had already made the decision
    well it turns out it was another classic ATI driver issue.
    [QUOTE=''_SKatEDiRt_'']well it turns out it was another classic ATI driver issue.[/QUOTE] :lol: those sure are fun aren't they?
    [QUOTE=''353535355353535''][QUOTE=''_SKatEDiRt_'']well it turns out it was another classic ATI driver issue.[/QUOTE] :lol: those sure are fun aren't they?[/QUOTE]yeah i havent had this much fun since i ran into a barb wire fence with my dirtbike 5th gear pinned.
    [QUOTE=''_SKatEDiRt_''] [QUOTE=''353535355353535''][QUOTE=''_SKatEDiRt_'']well it turns out it was another classic ATI driver issue.[/QUOTE] :lol: those sure are fun aren't they?[/QUOTE]yeah i havent had this much fun since i ran into a barb wire fence with my dirtbike 5th gear pinned.[/QUOTE] ouch :
    |Er.. ow? Idk lol

    sorry for all the PSU topics but.........................

    how is this PSU that I found from Antec.its got 500 Watts, 36 amps on the 12V rails, modular cabling supportAlso, what do you think are the chances that I'll get my MIR?sorry for all the PSU topics but.........................
    What are you using on it? sorry for all the PSU topics but.........................
    Avoid Antec's Smartpower line, they are Antec's cheapest and lowest quality line.
    [QUOTE=''vitz3''] What are you using on it? [/QUOTE] im not using a very power hungry system right now, but I just want it to last me through future upgrades.what do you think would be the best GFX card it could power if my system has the following?CPU: Intel Core 2 duo E6300 without any OCing
    RAM: 2GB Kingston ValueRAM DDR2667 (PC2-5300) with no OCing
    Hard drive: 1 SATA 7200 RPM 250 GB WD Caviar Hard drive
    Optical drive: 1 DVD burner
    1 80MM case fan
    [QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']Avoid Antec's Smartpower line, they are Antec's cheapest and lowest quality line.[/QUOTE]
    [QUOTE=''353535355353535''][QUOTE=''vitz3''] What are you using on it? [/QUOTE] im not using a very power hungry system right now, but I just want it to last me through future upgrades.what do you think would be the best GFX card it could power if my system has the following?CPU: Intel Core 2 duo E6300 without any OCing
    RAM: 2GB Kingston ValueRAM DDR2667 (PC2-5300) with no OCing
    Hard drive: 1 SATA 7200 RPM 250 GB WD Caviar Hard drive
    Optical drive: 1 DVD burner
    1 80MM case fan[/QUOTE]What about your GPU?If you're going 8800GTX or SLI(anything)I'd reccomend OCZ's GameXtreme 600W SLI. I got the same on and it's pretty quiet for what it does.
    [QUOTE=''musclesforcier''][QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']Avoid Antec's Smartpower line, they are Antec's cheapest and lowest quality line.[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
    here is a better psu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817189013
    [QUOTE=''vitz3''][QUOTE=''353535355353535''][QUOTE=''vitz3''] What are you using on it? [/QUOTE] im not using a very power hungry system right now, but I just want it to last me through future upgrades.what do you think would be the best GFX card it could power if my system has the following?CPU: Intel Core 2 duo E6300 without any OCing
    RAM: 2GB Kingston ValueRAM DDR2667 (PC2-5300) with no OCing
    Hard drive: 1 SATA 7200 RPM 250 GB WD Caviar Hard drive
    Optical drive: 1 DVD burner
    1 80MM case fan[/QUOTE]What about your GPU?If you're going 8800GTX or SLI(anything)I'd reccomend OCZ's GameXtreme 600W SLI. I got the same on and it's pretty quiet for what it does.[/QUOTE] thats a little bit over my budget. If I was gonna spend that much, I would just save a little extra and get a Corsair PSU
    [QUOTE=''SiKh22''] here is a better psu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817189013[/QUOTE] would that power an 8800 GTS?
    Yeah.
    [QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']Yeah.[/QUOTE] but the antec has more wattage, more amperage, more cables,and is only a few dollars more, and thats before the MIRwould the Antec power an 8800 GTS, or maybe a GTX (sorry for the repitition)
    The XCLIO Stablepower 460W has active PFC, a single 140mm fan instead of two weaker/louder 80mm fans, and isn't widely known as ''crap''
    [QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']The XCLIO Stablepower 460W has active PFC, a single 140mm fan instead of two weaker/louder 80mm fans, and isn't widely known as ''crap''[/QUOTE] wait, is the Antec smartpower ''crap''ah, crap!!!:(
    well, if that xclio PSU is good, then how is this other PSU from xclio?also, would the 460 Watt xclio that you (Hiryuu_) posted be able to power an 8800 GTX?
    Actually, SiKh22 posted the power supply for you.It's the same as the Stablepower 460W, only it's (obviously) 500Ws and it comes with two PCI-e x16 connectors which you'd need to power an 8800GTX.You could just use the molex to 6-pin adapter that comes with the 8800GTX if you get the Stablepower 460W though, since the 460W only comes with a single 6-pin PCI-e connector.Both power supplies would power an 8800GTX, hell if you got a good enough 400W then you could run an 8800GTX.
    [QUOTE=''Hiryuu_''] Actually, SiKh22 posted the power supply for you.It's the same as the Stablepower 460W, only it's (obviously) 500Ws and it comes with two PCI-e x16 connectors which you'd need to power an 8800GTX.You could just use the molex to 6-pin adapter that comes with the 8800GTX if you get the Stablepower 460W though.[/QUOTE] crap, im not sure which PSU to get:(
    the 460 is more then enough, the 8800GTS doesnt draw crazy power has u might be thinking. but if u want the 500watt sure, id go wtih the 460. dont worry about it, if u got the moeny go with the 500Watt, its the same with more watts and 2x Pcix16 connectors.
    I mean its enough for the 8800GTX, the 2x pci x16 connectors is the benefit, but its not like u them. the company will give u the molex converter, so u should be set
    [QUOTE=''SiKh22'']the 460 is more then enough, the 8800GTS doesnt draw crazy power has u might be thinking. but if u want the 500watt sure, id go wtih the 460. dont worry about it, if u got the moeny go with the 500Watt, its the same with more watts and 2x Pcix16 connectors.[/QUOTE] would you say that the 460 watt would be able to power the 8800 GTX? Im not actually getting it, I just want a PSU I can keep through future upgrades

    minimizing during a game, why problems?

    so we all like to multi task and check out a webpage or email or aim when we are dead in a game sometimes, not often but sometimes or while something is loading or because you forgot to do something, so you minimize. not always, but why sometimes does this cause the game to crash to the desktop and give you some error either if xfire is open itll give me a hl2 source internal error or a direct x 9 error, and if xfire isnt open itll give me a vid card error, of course there are no errors, it happens to everyone, why so? especially if you have a dual core?minimizing during a game, why problems?
    [This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]minimizing during a game, why problems?
    [This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]
    it happend to me once but it turns out it was a bad nvidia driver from back when i had my 6600
    im just wondering why this happens, a dual core should be able to handle multitasking
    Just because you can do it, doesn't mean the game is expecting it. Most games are designed to take all the resources they can get (no surprise) and aren't multitask friendly. So when you try it and the game doesn't like it, you get a crash.
    so everyone experiences this?
    Pausing out to a menu of some sorts allieviates this sometimes. At least halt the current process when you switch windows.Sometimes the alt-tab mini-window that pops up can cause DirectX errors. Use Windows+D or Windows+M instead if you can.
    what is window m and windows d? the windows button minimizes alone
    That's why you pause a game before minimizing. It won't crash if you pause it. I always minimize COH and I get no error, because I remember to pause the game. If you don't pause then you will get an error
    [QUOTE=''ncderek'']what is window m and windows d? the windows button minimizes alone[/QUOTE]



    I use ALT + TAB it always works for me.
    i do alt tab too, and you cant pause an online game
    Well dont do it then idk :? have you tryed doing a memtest? That usually helps :P
    its not a hardware issue, ive had this on all my computers in the past 3 years. ive also had hardware issues and have replaced eveyr part in my pc in the last few months, and i did memtest haha. so its not hardware. i was looking for a software issue, or if it happens to everyone. at 1st i thought it was xfire, but it wasnt
    Hmmm. I have problems doing it with online games too but stuff like WoW and NeverWinter I have no probs with. I think its just the online :?
    [QUOTE=''LouieV13''][QUOTE=''ncderek'']what is window m and windows d? the windows button minimizes alone[/QUOTE] I use ALT + TAB it always works for me.[/QUOTE]The little key that looks like the windows symbol next to left-alt. Hold that and hit either d or m.
    oh wow, thats exactly what i was looking for, it minimizes my widgets too, which is a problem i had in another thread, thanks!

    8800gts 320MB vs ........................

    What is supposed to go up against the 8800gts 320mb version, the HD 2600xt or something????8800gts 320MB vs ........................
    [QUOTE=''42316'']What is supposed to go up against the 8800gts 320mb version, the HD 2600xt or something????[/QUOTE] no idea. so far, the high end/cheapass gamer has no choice in the matter:(8800gts 320MB vs ........................
    HD 2600XT against 8600GTSHD 2600Pro against 8600GT
    ok......so nothing is matching the 8800gts 320mb right now? and btw if you live in the us, please give me the name of a store where you can buy pc parts...
    Well originally the R600 UFO, 2900XL/GT, was suppose to go up against the 320mb GTS but the UFO card turned into the HD2900XT, so currently nothing...A highly overclocked HD2600xt might be able to touch a stock 320mb GTS but it would probably take a clockspeed of close to 1ghz.The main competition of the 320mb GTS is the RV670 coming September-ish. It should be on 65 or 55nm, hopefully hitting in the area of 900-1000mhz, 256mb interface, 256/512mb DDR3/DDR4, (hopefully) at least 64 shaders and with a power consumption of around ~100-120w.Probably priced around $250-$300.
    ok
    [QUOTE=''LordEC911'']A highly overclocked HD2600xt might be able to touch a stock 320mb GTS but it would probably take a clockspeed of close to 1ghz.[/QUOTE]I don't think that a highly OCed HD 2600XT able to touch a stock 320MB GTS
    I think the X2600 series will be the 88GTS 320mb counterpart. The X2400's will compete with the 8600's :P :) :lol:
    Doubt that. The 2600s aren't looking too impressive.
    [QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']Doubt that. The 2600s aren't looking too impressive.[/QUOTE]



    Where are the benchies I havent seen any tho im not really tracking them :( Plus if there not out then obviously the drivers arent too great anyway. The X2900XT Still needs good drivers!
    The 2900XT already has pretty decent drivers, it outperforms the 8800GTS 640MB for the most part.The 2600s aren't impressive spec-wise either.. since they are designed like the 2900XT, they only have 24 stream processors that are used.
    Oh I see. Well I havent read much about em cause im waiting for the X3k series / 9k series! Do you think I can run one on my PSU? Cause the 9800GTX will use 1tf or somthing like that. That just sounds like a power hog lol
    nVidia claims that the 9800GTX will deliver 1 Teraflop of computing performance, not that it'll use 1kW of energy.Creating a video card that uses 1kW of energy would be full of pure stupidity.
    [QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']nVidia claims that the 9800GTX will deliver 1 Teraflop of computing performance, not that it'll use 1kW of energy.Creating a video card that uses 1kW of energy would be full of pure stupidity. [/QUOTE]



    Yea, im not planning on SLi so I think im good for awile with my 750w lol
    [QUOTE=''LahiruD'']I don't think that a highly OCed HD 2600XT able to touch a stock 320MB GTS[/QUOTE]We shall see...Benching-wise the HD2600xt is going to be a beast with a pci-e2.0 compliant board... I'm expecting some 1.4-1.5ghz on the core with LN2. The card is using ~60w and with 150w at it's disposal, it would be a shame for it to not hit those speeds.

    Bought new PC, is it any good?

    OOOOOOOOok, i don't know jack about computers. I'm good with them, i know how to use Maya, and all that stuff, but i just bought a computer, and i wanna know if it's any good. I have no idea what info to put on here, but ill give it a try:Processor:AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Dual Core Processor 4800+ 2.5 GHzMemory:2.00 GBI upgraded my power supply as well, its at 500 some wattsUmm...my video card, im not sure what it is....it's a Radeon X1650 series...ATI somethin...and 512 MB. Is that all the info you need to make the assessment, and if so, is it any good?oh, i almost forgot, i bought a samsung 22'' LCD moniter too, contrast ratio is 3000:1, and response time is 2msBought new PC, is it any good?
    its good.although thats not the best specs... but its still powerfull enough fr PC gaming (several great game may run smoothly on ur system). another fact, its better than mine :pBought new PC, is it any good?
    It was definately a good choice nice CPU and Nice Ram and a Decent GFX Card to boot. You will be able some games at modest settings..
    its not new or any thing but,its still nice
    Your monitor should be the Smasung Syncmaster 226BW. I have it's little bro, the 206BW (20-inch)and it's great for gaming!!
    Yeh that is a badass monitor.. I have the Samsung 23 inch 3000:1 it is pretty nice..
    [QUOTE=''cantholdon'']its good.although thats not the best specs... but its still powerfull enough fr PC gaming (several great game may run smoothly on ur system). another fact, its better than mine :p[/QUOTE]Best specs? sorry im computer retarded......and what games are too good for it, and how could i upgrade it?
    It is fine.. Get Half Life 2 and Battlefield 2 and of course get Counter Strike Source if you like shooters all three of those are godlike
    vid card is an easy upgrade, it's probably a x1650xt? if so that's not too bad and afaik it will run every game currently out since it's sm 3.0
    [QUOTE=''nutcrackr'']vid card is an easy upgrade, it's probably a x1650xt? if so that's not too bad and afaik it will run every game currently out since it's sm 3.0[/QUOTE]yup, it's the x1650xt.....im planning on buying STALKER tomorrow, will it run fine?
    it will run excellent on static lighting
    Stalker will run pretty good just dont turn high dynamic lighting way up keep it towards the low end if on at all.
    it will run maxed out as long as the lighting is set to static.
    [QUOTE=''lilburtonboy748''] OOOOOOOOok, i don't know jack about computers. I'm good with them, i know how to use Maya, and all that stuff, but i just bought a computer, and i wanna know if it's any good. I have no idea what info to put on here, but ill give it a try:Processor:AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Dual Core Processor 4800+ 2.5 GHzMemory:2.00 GBI upgraded my power supply as well, its at 500 some wattsUmm...my video card, im not sure what it is....it's a Radeon X1650 series...ATI somethin...and 512 MB. Is that all the info you need to make the assessment, and if so, is it any good?oh, i almost forgot, i bought a samsung 22'' LCD moniter too, contrast ratio is 3000:1, and response time is 2ms[/QUOTE] nice - for today's technology i would give your computer 8/10 - enjoy :!:
    I'm a PC enthusiast and I'm sorry but that system is O.K, not good or anything. Yes, it's completely fine for working in Maya and product applications, but gaming...I don't think so. Why? Look at your GPU and Monitor combo. Your GPU is gonna have a heart attack trying to run games at the monitor's native resolution (refering to demanding games).Also you don't need a 500W PSU for a system like that. Unless you plan to upgrade the GPU in the future.
    I rate your PC a 7/10
    Your computer is good for todays games imho. If, in a few years, you find your computer to struggle with future games then you can always get a new video card.
    [QUOTE=''KhanhAgE''] I'm a PC enthusiast and I'm sorry but that system is O.K, not good or anything. Yes, it's completely fine for working in Maya and product applications, but gaming...I don't think so. Why? Look at your GPU and Monitor combo. Your GPU is gonna have a heart attack trying to run games at the monitor's native resolution (refering to demanding games).Also you don't need a 500W PSU for a system like that. Unless you plan to upgrade the GPU in the future.[/QUOTE]ok, my monitor resolution is at 1680x1050....and when i play neverwinter nights 2 with it at that resolution its really jumpy....is that why? I had no idea your monitor could effect the gameply. But then again i suppose it would have to pump out a whole lot more pixels wouldnt it? So what would i do, just turn down my resolution on my games?
    Turn the resolution down and see if that helps. Your computer is pretty good. The dual core processor is very powerful. How fast is your ram do you know? For example mine is DDR 2100.(Like 233 mhz or something) Yours might be DDR 2 and more faster. It is important but not too important. Here is some info on memory.http://www.crucial.com/crucial/pvtcontent/memorytype.asp?memtype=CHOOSEYou can find out your speed by running at test from them for free.If you ever buy Bioshock or Assasin's Creed it would be nice to know how well you run those games. If they lag too much you could just upgrade to a more powerful video card and your problem would be solved.I happen to have the same video card as you from Sapphire and it being AGP. Is yours AGP or PCI- Express? PCI-E is faster than AGP.Anyway you should be fine. Make sure to do maintenance like clean it out every 6 months with an air pressure can. Defragment, anti virus free at (free.grisoft.com), and spyware killer free at www.lavasoftusa.comHere is the memory scanner I was talking about. It's free and safe.http://www.crucial.com/index.asp
    [QUOTE=''lilburtonboy748''][QUOTE=''KhanhAgE''] I'm a PC enthusiast and I'm sorry but that system is O.K, not good or anything. Yes, it's completely fine for working in Maya and product applications, but gaming...I don't think so. Why? Look at your GPU and Monitor combo. Your GPU is gonna have a heart attack trying to run games at the monitor's native resolution (refering to demanding games).Also you don't need a 500W PSU for a system like that. Unless you plan to upgrade the GPU in the future.[/QUOTE]ok, my monitor resolution is at 1680x1050....and when i play neverwinter nights 2 with it at that resolution its really jumpy....is that why? I had no idea your monitor could effect the gameply. But then again i suppose it would have to pump out a whole lot more pixels wouldnt it? So what would i do, just turn down my resolution on my games?[/QUOTE]1680x1050 is a relatively big resolution... You should turn the resolution down slightly and perhaps you need to patch NWN2. I've heard that that game wasn't very optimized at it's time.

    OCing my X2 5400+

    I currently have this thing OCed from 2.8 ghz to 2.95 ghz and there was no temp increase, it stays at 30 C right after i was done playin CSS for a while. I was wondering what i would be able to clock this to and keep it under 50. I will also be adding another fan to my case as well.OCing my X2 5400+
    bumpOCing my X2 5400+
    I doubt you'll be able to get very far, most likely around the low 3.0GHz.It's not a matter of temperatures for you, but AMD's K8 architecture usually maxes out in the low 3.0GHz.
    [QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']I doubt you'll be able to get very far, most likely around the low 3.0GHz.It's not a matter of temperatures for you, but AMD's K8 architecture usually maxes out in the low 3.0GHz.[/QUOTE]I see. thanks.
    [QUOTE=''JSDempsey''][QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']I doubt you'll be able to get very far, most likely around the low 3.0GHz.It's not a matter of temperatures for you, but AMD's K8 architecture usually maxes out in the low 3.0GHz.[/QUOTE]I see. thanks.[/QUOTE]



    Yea I havent even tryed OCing my 6000+ yet im so happy with it :) its stock is 3ghz and its pretty awsome
    I just read a review for this CPU on Newegg and the guy said he got it OCed to 3.7 ghz on stock cooling...wow (if it's true)
    [QUOTE=''LouieV13''][QUOTE=''JSDempsey''][QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']I doubt you'll be able to get very far, most likely around the low 3.0GHz.It's not a matter of temperatures for you, but AMD's K8 architecture usually maxes out in the low 3.0GHz.[/QUOTE]I see. thanks.[/QUOTE] Yea I havent even tryed OCing my 6000+ yet im so happy with it :) its stock is 3ghz and its pretty awsome[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=''JSDempsey'']I just read a review for this CPU on Newegg and the guy said he got it OCed to 3.7 ghz on stock cooling...wow (if it's true)[/QUOTE]Wow he is a bad liar. Phase change, yeah. But passive/active hell no.
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  • MoBo and PSU troubles!

    So, I've bought a:
    BFG 8800GTX
    C2D E6600
    22' Acer monitor


    all for my rig I'll be building anytime soon. I need some suggestions on a good PSU to power an 8800GTX. Also, I'm having alot of trouble deciding upon a good, affordable MoBo. If you plan on linking to a component, please do so from www.canadacomputers.com , because that's where I'll be purchasing the components.
    MoBo and PSU troubles!
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    MoBo and PSU troubles!
    Why not order from DirectCanada? Usually cheaper prices and free shipping on orders over $300.Try the OCZ StealthXStream 600W[url]http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=13220AC0022[/url][url]http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct%26cmd=pd%26pid=013680%26cid=PS.808[/url]If you plan on SLi 8800GTX cards in the future, you may want to bump it up to the GameXStream 700W.[url]http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=13220AC9376[/url][url]http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct%26cmd=pd%26pid=010076%26cid=PS.808[/url]
    Good PSU brands: Antec, PCP%26C, Enermax, OCZ, Seasonic (and it's spec'd Corsair's), Zippy



    Specific PSU's (24-pin with 4-pin CPU cable):

    Enermax: [URL=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194004]ENERMAX Liberty ELT620AWT[/URL]

    OCZ: [URL=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341002]OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXS-SLI[/URL]

    Seasonic spec's Corsair PSU: [URL=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139002]CORSAIR CMPSU-620HX[/URL]



    Specific PSU's (24-pin and with 8-pin CPU cable):

    Enermax: [URL=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194020]Enermax Galaxy 850EWL[/URL]

    Seasonic: [URL=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151027]SeaSonic S12 Energy Plus SS-550HT[/URL]
    I, also, recommend the OCZ GameXtreme 700W PSU.
    [QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']Why not order from DirectCanada? Usually cheaper prices and free shipping on orders over $300.Try the OCZ StealthXStream 600W[url]http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=13220AC0022[/url][/QUOTE]

    That looks like an awesome PSU for the price. And I had never even heard of Directcanada. Free shipping here I come. And I don't plan on SLing.
    Geez you just gave me another good suggestion for buying parts here in Canada. I was with NCIX but after seeing the 8800GTX for $100 less I've jumped ship.Thanks TC!

    core duo 2 (2.13) mothrboards

    hey, can anyone find me a good, cheap, under 150 dollar motherboard that works with intel.. thxcore duo 2 (2.13) mothrboards
    [QUOTE=''stefanec1992''] hey, can anyone find me a good, cheap, under 150 dollar motherboard that works with intel.. thx[/QUOTE] on neweggcore duo 2 (2.13) mothrboards
    Do you need SLi?If not..eVGA 650i UltraGigabyte DS3If you do..Asus P5N-E SLiMSI P6N SLi Platinum (recommended)Crossfire..Asus P5K (just a bit over your budget)
    [QUOTE=''Hiryuu_''] Do you need SLi? not sure about evga i hear from my friend that all of his friends evga products died or burned out... thats y i didnt look at them is it true with alot of ppl this happening to them? or is evga have really good stuff?If not..eVGA 650i UltraGigabyte DS3If you do..Asus P5N-E SLiMSI P6N SLi Platinum (recommended)Crossfire..Asus P5K (just a bit over your budget)[/QUOTE]
    is evga good?
    Yeah, eVGA products are very nice.
    im not sure i might go with asus boards and evga graphic cards... but none of the asus boards intrest me maybe i should go for a higher price? or maybe i should go with amd? wat do u think?
    How do they not interest you..? Wtf?And are you overclocking or not? If not, AMD would be a good alternative.
    [QUOTE=''Hiryuu_''] How do they not interest you..? Wtf?And are you overclocking or not? If not, AMD would be a good alternative.[/QUOTE] lol i might go for a higher price board cuz they seem a little cheap to me in looks im not looking and im not looking for oc.. sorry if i got u mad ;/
    Cheap in looks? Like you'll be looking at the motherboard lmao.. and the motherboards I suggested are all excellent mobos.If you aren't going to overclock, I'm guessing your budget is around $300 most likely less.MSI K9N Neo-F[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130050[/url]or eVGA's nForce 590[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188016[/url]And the X2 5600+[url]http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819103771[/url]
    [QUOTE=''stefanec1992''][QUOTE=''Hiryuu_''] How do they not interest you..? Wtf?And are you overclocking or not? If not, AMD would be a good alternative.[/QUOTE] lol i might go for a higher price board cuz they seem a little cheap to me in looks im not looking and im not looking for oc.. sorry if i got u mad ;/[/QUOTE]I don't blame you, I never got into Asus either. Even though they are pretty good.

    wat would u go with intel or amd?
    [QUOTE=''stefanec1992'']wat would u go with intel or amd?[/QUOTE]I'd go with AMD.

    Help on upgrading (need some opinions)

    I currently have this:http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2945301%26CatId=2019http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1862753%26CatId=1997http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=633531%26CatId=10781 Gb of PC3200nvidia 6600 GT 256 mbI am thing I need to upgrade my card cause the 6600 is starting to show its age and struggling with some games that I want to max out (oblivion, stalker, CnC 3, etc.). Here is what I'm thinking I should buy:7900 GS XXX:http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2707975%26CatId=1560Then once I get some more money:An extra gig of RAM:http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1071020%26Sku=ULT31664And a better PSU cause the one I have now is terrible:http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1389575%26CatId=1078Would my system be able to max out most games out now if I got that stuff? Do you think its a good deal %26 decision? Do I really need the power supply right away or can I use the one I have now for a bit longer (till I get some more money)?So what are your opinions and advice, will I have a good PC?Thanks in advance :)Help on upgrading (need some opinions)
    Well Oblivion and Stalker are very poorly optimized too begin with. And CnC 3 you should be able to play on high at the very least. First are you running Vista? If you are that could beyour problem/problems.2nd Getting a better PSU you will see a difference if your Pc isnt getting the power it needs. I remember one time when I went from a 300 watt to 350 watt not changing nothing else I seen a 100% difference. Also go for a 450 watt psu or higher.3rd getting 1gb more ram will help overall with the loading pauses but not like a night and day difference change.If you planing on getting a new graphics cardyou might as well get a 8600 or 8800 series card to be more future proof.Help on upgrading (need some opinions)
    I am on xp and plan to stay here for a while (until I build a totally new comp.) I don't have/want to spend a lot of money so the 8800 is not an option, the 8600 is pointless because, like I said I won't be going to vista for a while. I am experience poor performance because of the resolution (1440x900) I'm playing at. I was getting good fps on my old monitor (which was at 1024x768) but since I got a new one my card can't keep up. I want a new PSU cause the one I have now gets hot and loud, and I'm not sure if its good enough to power the 7900 (25 amps on the 12 volt rails???)
    First of all, the power supply you chose out is actually lower quality than the one you already have.It may be 430Ws, but it only has 18 amps on the 12V rail compared to your PowerUp's 25 amps on the 12V rail.Next, the 7900GS works fine on a 300W power supply with around 20 amps although you'd have to have a fairly basic system (one hard drive, one optical drive, etc) so the one you already have is enough.Finally, your upgrades look good but you don't need the new power supply. Maybe bump the card up to a 7950GT or so.
    Well the cheapest 7950 I can find is this one:http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2918356%26CatId=1560How much better would it be than the 7900? Would it be worth the extra cash?Also can you recommend me a good PSU (from tigerdirect.ca please)? One that is quiet, runs cool, is inexpensive, and good quality. Like I said I just don't like the one I have now.
    I see.. anyways I would strongly suggest ordering from DirectCanada. Much cheaper than TigerDirect and free shipping on orders over $300 (although I don't think you want to spend $300?)Try FSP Group's 450W, I have it myself. :)[url]http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11730AC2682[/url]Seems like higher-end cards aren't so cheap in Canada, so just stick with the 7900GS or go with an X1950Pro[url]http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=13630BD0249[/url]^ Comes with an Accelero X2 third-party cooler. :)
    Go for that 7900 gs xxx it has higher clock speeds on both the Gpu and memory. Even thou the 7950 has 4 more pixil pipe lines those xfx's xxx versions are speed demons. Like the 7600 gt xxx vs the 7800 gt the 7600's sheer clock speeds outperformed the standard7800 by 10 or so % fasterThe 7950 is Gpu:565, Memory:1430The 7900 gs xxx is Gpu: 600, Memory: 1630
    Also after looking at the spec a bit more the 7950 GT only has 4 more pixel pipelines than the 7900GS XXX, every other category shows the 7900 is better (core clock, memory clock, etc.) Do you really think 4 more pixel pipelines is worth $75 more????
    [QUOTE=''04dcarraher''] Go for that 7900 gs xxx it has higher clock speeds on both the Gpu and memory. Even thou the 7950 has 4 more pixil pipe lines those xfx's xxx versions are speed demons. Like the 7600 gt xxx vs the 7800 gt the 7600's sheer clock speeds outperformed the standard 7800gt by 10 or so % fasterThe 7950 is Gpu:565, Memory:1430The 7900 gs xxx is Gpu: 600, Memory: 1630[/QUOTE] requote :)
    The 7950GT's extra pipelines easily make it superior to the 7900GS. I'd go for the X1950Pro though.. or just stick with the 7900GS.The 7600GT outperformed the 7800GS because the 7800 used a more outdated core, just because the 7600GT had higher clock speeds wasn't everything.
    [QUOTE=''Hiryuu_''] The 7950GT's extra pipelines easily make it superior to the 7900GS. I'd go for the X1950Pro though.. or just stick with the 7900GS.But the 7800's also had 4 or 8 more pipelines too. So pipelines after a certain point dont do to much.The 7600GT outperformed the 7800GS because the 7800 used a more outdated core, just because the 7600GT had higher clock speeds wasn't everything.[/QUOTE]
    lol I didn't see you posted that. Thanks again for all the help everyone :D

    overclocking

    how do you overclock a processor? is it a better fan? and can you overclock a game system like a ps2 to make it go faster?

    Tell me about the 64 bit versions of Vista

    I'm lookin at getting a new laptop, all the newest stuff in it - core2duo, 8600 video card, 2gb ram etc. etc.Now everywhere i look for laptops, it will just say ''Vista Home Premium'' or whatever, but never clarifies whether or not it is the 32 bit, or 64 bit OEM.So,First question - What do you need to run 64 bit operating sytems?Second question - What does OEM meanThird question - Which version should I assume i'm gettingFourth question - What is the difference with the 64 bit version as opposed to the 32? Which area does it affect? What's it for?Thanks brethernTell me about the 64 bit versions of Vista
    1. A 64 bit cpu 2. Just means it has no manual dont worry about it :P



    3. All prebuilts come with 32bit im VERY sure.



    4. I dont know i have never used a 64 bit op tho I know alot of games have bad compatibility with themTell me about the 64 bit versions of Vista
    OEM means no manual? lolanyone know more about the benefits/differences with having a 64 bit OS?
    It can use more that 4 gigs of RAM. Unneccary though, especially in your case. thats all i know.
    [QUOTE=''JSDempsey'']It can use more that 4 gigs of RAM. Unneccary though, especially in your case. thats all i know.[/QUOTE]



    Yea that to im pretty sure Vista Ultimate 64b can use somewhere around 128gb O.O but 2gb is MORE than enough
    The only real point of a 64 bit OS is if you have 4+ GB of RAM. There is lots of issues with 64 bit because not a lot of programs support it (you have to use 64 bit versions of programs but not every developer makes 64 bit versions of their programs). You will most likely be getting 32 bit, but I have seen a few new systems with 64 bit OS but most of them were pretty high end or had more than 2 GB of RAM. It would (most likely) specifically say if your getting 64 bit so I don't think you have to worry ;)

    Are there any payment options?

    Are there any payment options when buying a Mac? This will be my first time getting one so I don't know about this. I also could not find my answer on apple.ca... Thanks, and so you know, I am getting a Macbook Pro :)
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  • Any thoughts - Cooler Master PSU

    I intend to build another new computer when AMD releases their new line whenever that may be and need just about everything but RAM. I was perusing Newegg and saw a case I liked and it combos with a psu to make the psu free.So, if I can get this PSU for free, is it going to do me good?[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171018[/url]It has the 120mm fan which is nice, and, although I'm still on the fence about it, multiple 12v rails, and an adequate maximum power. But I've never used a COOLER MASTER and also don't want to stick with the psu that comes with the case (I learned my lesson last time; so much for OCing). Any and all help/opinions are appreciated.Edit: What does it mean to be modular in regard to PSUs?EDIT 2: Ok, We have an xclio Goodpower 500w psu that we were going to put in another computer, but I could take it if I get the other one for free, but I'm not sure which I would want. Opinions?Any thoughts - Cooler Master PSU
    i had a bad experience with cooler master psu. i had the 430 watt version and it was unbelievably loud, but i dont know if that is true for the 500w version. Although the 430 was enough to power my 8800gts.modular cabling means that the cables can be removed from the back of the psu, they are good because you can remove the wires that you dont want to useAny thoughts - Cooler Master PSU
    Hmm, noise isn't really an issue to me. I very rarely leave the pc on while I sleep and when doing something on the comp, surround sound gets pumping.
    the IT guy who does all the networking at my parents business says cooler master makes very good power supplies
    Cooler Master's power supplies aren't particularly great, but they are decent I suppose.Their cases are nice though. :)
    Any chance someone could give me a more detailed answer? As far as I can tell, CM is ok-good, but the cons are non-modular and loud. But does it bother me that much sinec it's free? would it bother you?
    Bump with edit in regard to [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817189005]this[/url]
    Definitely a good power supply. I often recommend that XCLIO Goodpower 500W to budget builders, and it's of pretty good quality.Here's a review on it.[url]http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/829/1/page_1_introduction/index.html[/url]Note that while it technically has two PCI-e connectors, one is really a molex to 6-pin adapter (takes two of the five 4-pin molex connectors that the PSU has..).

    Are dell computers good and is this a good deal?

    I was wondering if dell computers are good and if this is a good deal.http://www.walmart.com/catalog/productdo?product_id=5925440i'm in a family of 6 and we would be using it for a variety of things.Are dell computers good and is this a good deal?
    dells are good (dont let all the other flaming dell posts put you off) they last long, but i would not recomened that one because you can only fit in a lower profile card (got it right this time :) ) basically you cant fit in big cards.Are dell computers good and is this a good deal?
    im getting the same one, but buying it online. its cheaper online and they let you customize it.
    [QUOTE=''error11''] I was wondering if dell computers are good and if this is a good deal.http://www.walmart.com/catalog/productdo?product_id=5925440i'm in a family of 6 and we would be using it for a variety of things.[/QUOTE]Get a XPS 410, even the cheapest version can play most current games on medium settings, and is easily upgraded....Or you can do what i did and pretty much max every thing out (including getting Home and Student 2007 Microsoft Office) for $2,000
    oh wait, for kids and family stuff?Sry, if that's the case it's fine, i thought it would be for gaming...
    [QUOTE=''GANGSTA287'']oh wait, for kids and family stuff?Sry, if that's the case it's fine, i thought it would be for gaming...[/QUOTE]would it be able to run half life 2 fine? cuz thats pretty much the only game i'm gonna play.
    [QUOTE=''GANGSTA287''][QUOTE=''error11''] I was wondering if dell computers are good and if this is a good deal.http://www.walmart.com/catalog/productdo?product_id=5925440i'm in a family of 6 and we would be using it for a variety of things.[/QUOTE]Get a XPS 410, even the cheapest version can play most current games on medium settings, and is easily upgraded....Or you can do what i did and pretty much max every thing out (including getting Home and Student 2007 Microsoft Office) for $2,000[/QUOTE] the cheapest one has an X1300PRO:(
    b[QUOTE=''error11''] I was wondering if dell computers are good and if this is a good deal.http://www.walmart.com/catalog/productdo?product_id=5925440i'm in a family of 6 and we would be using it for a variety of things.[/QUOTE] Dells are fine, and for the price that looks like a good deal. Have you gone to Dell.com and configured one there? The only thing you might want to consider adding is a decent video card so you can enjoy Half-Life.

    4 GBs of RAM?

    im going for Vista soon (got my free upgrade from Dell), but before i install it, im debating whether 4 GBs of RAM is a good idea. my computer supports DDR2 800, so im thinking this is a good buy.http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098 it was the highest ranked 2 GB (2x 1GBs) of DDR2 800 i found, plus its a steal for $80. so is it a good idea to get 4 GBs for Vista, and is this a good set of RAM here?4 GBs of RAM?
    I assume you are getting Vista 64 bit? Because if you are not, dont waste your money...

    Dell...

    They are shipping my PC 2 weeks earlier than the estimated time....FOR FREEEEEE!!!!!!!Instead of getting it in early July, I'll get it Monday!!! and for $200 less at that!!!Boy did i luck out... :PDell...
    lol i got my dell within 5 days of ordering it there delivery is very good.Dell...
    Gateway would have sent it a whole 2 months later, and their PCs were more expensive even with a 8800 GTS instead of the 8800GTX mine has...Too bad Dell has to be so arrogant and stubborn with customer support...
    Wiat, I think getting a dell early would be a bad thing. The longer I dont have a dell the better.
    [QUOTE=''supergamer1289'']Wiat, I think getting a dell early would be a bad thing. The longer I dont have a dell the better.[/QUOTE] Are you Canadian?
    you have to wait weeks for your computer? man that stinks. Thats why i love newegg, got my stuff in 3 days and built it the day the parts arrived. if only newegg could cook, i would marry it
    so, if i ordered a dell today, I wouldent get it till July? what a load of crap!!!!!!! I could just order the parts off of newegg.com, and i'll get the parts 3 business days later! It only takes a day to build a computer
    [QUOTE=''353535355353535'']so, if i ordered a dell today, I wouldent get it till July? what a load of crap!!!!!!! I could just order the parts off of newegg.com, and i'll get the parts 3 business days later! It only takes a day to build a computer[/QUOTE] It depends on which Dell you get. Some parts are in short supply and that delays orders. The website usually warns you when you are building your system online that a particular choice will delay your shipment.
    [QUOTE=''ZBoater''] [QUOTE=''353535355353535'']so, if i ordered a dell today, I wouldent get it till July? what a load of crap!!!!!!! I could just order the parts off of newegg.com, and i'll get the parts 3 business days later! It only takes a day to build a computer[/QUOTE] It depends on which Dell you get. Some parts are in short supply and that delays orders. The website usually warns you when you are building your system online that a particular choice will delay your shipment.[/QUOTE] so, how often would I get the dell 3 business days later?
    Depends. If you go to Dell.com and build a PC, it tells you when to expect it. If you buy from the outlet, its already boxed up and ready to go.

    whats wrong with my new pc?

    ok just got a core 2 duo e6600 , with 965p ds3 mobo, 8800 gts 320 mb graphics, and 320 gb harddrivenow i run 3dmark and get around 3k score???whats going on? i installed the latest driver for 8800 on vista,, what else am i doing wrong?>whats wrong with my new pc?
    anyone help?i know i got around 9000 something with a e6400 , and pretty much same specs, how come i am gettin such crap score??can anyone tell me how to test ur graphics card? i let the shop install it, maybe they stuffed it up???whats wrong with my new pc?
    Are your graphic card driver's up to date on the new HDD?
    yeah i just went into nvidia and downloaded the latest drivers,and i installed driver detect, it says i have the latest video drivers, tho some other things are out of date, dont know if they matter tho, stuff like lan, mouse, and something else,,anyone know how to check ur specs of the gpu???maybe mine broke??
    [QUOTE=''profanityVP''] yeah i just went into nvidia and downloaded the latest drivers,and i installed driver detect, it says i have the latest video drivers, tho some other things are out of date, dont know if they matter tho, stuff like lan, mouse, and something else,,anyone know how to check ur specs of the gpu???maybe mine broke??[/QUOTE] or it could be vista?
    ok well i had vista premium before and got a score of around 9000 , same graphics card on a e6400 clocked at 3.2 ghznow i'm gettin around 3000 on a vista home basic, with the same graphics card on a e6600 clocked at 3.4 ghz,i dont get it, is there a diff between vista home premium and basic???cant be that much of a difference in score,, every other component is the same, i used a 965p ds3 mobo,on the pc i got 9k score i had a 600 w posu. and 2 gig ddr2 ram at 667,on the new pc where i get 3k score i have a 550 cooler master extream power psu and 2 gig ddr2 800 corsair ram,
    uninstall graphics drivers and reinstall
    You Runned 3D mark05 with E6400 %26 3D mark06 with E6600 ?
    MEMtest and RMA the gpu
    what is memtest and rma ???and please explain the process of how to check please?no i didnt use 3dmark 05, my scores should be consistent at around 9k with my setup, not 3k,,
    google memtest and send your gpu back to manufacturer cause its obviosuly something wrong with it
    Test to see if your CPU is stable.
    ok,, well i went into bios and put the fsb to the original 267mhz , and ran 3dmark again and got 8937, so any reason why i cant overclock to 376mhz fsb?ok,, what should my settings be,, i have consiar 2 gig ddr2 800mhz ram, but i cant put the fsb to 400 because my pc wont start,, any other settings i should try?
    Probably a limitation on your motherboard. Just raise the multiplier and try to keep the FSB lower, don't worry about the 1:1 ratio, it's nice but I think it's safer for you to have a stable system.

    need opinions on this pc build

    Hello, all... planning on ordering a pc from cyber power next week... I'd like some opinions on this build before I commit, thouCAS: CoolerMaster Stacker 830 Tower 420W Case W/ Side-panel Window [+34]CS_FAN: Default case fans CPU: (Socket AM2) AMD AthlonTM64 X2 6000+ Dual-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology CD: (Special Price) 18X DVD盧/盧W + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR) CD2: SONY 16X DVD-ROM (BLACK COLOR) CABLE: Round Cable Upgrade for Hard Drive, Optical Drive %26 Floppy Drive [+19] FLASHMEDIA: INTERNAL 12in1 Flash Media Reader/Writer (BLACK COLOR FAN: CoolerMaster Hyper TX2 Gaming CPU Cooling Fan [+39] FLOPPY: NONE HDD: Extreme Performance (RAID-0) with 2 Identical Hard Drives (148GB (74GBx2) Gaming Western Digital Rapter 10,000RPM SATA150 16MB Cache WD740ADFD) HDD2: 250GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 8MB Cache 7200RPM Hard Drive -- Recommended KEYBOARD: Logitech Deluxe 104 PS/2 Keyboard (Black Color) MOUSE: NONE [-5] MODEM: NONE MONITOR: NONE [-189] MONITOR2: NONE MOTHERBOARD: (Socket AM2)Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe nForce 590 SLI MCP Chipset DDR2/800 MBoard w/ Dual 16x PCI-Express [+118] MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)1GB (2x512MB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Value Select or Major Brand) NETWORK: ONBOARD 10/100 NETWORK CARD OS: Microsoft?Windows?XP Professional w/ Service Pack 2 [+31] PRO_WIRING: Professional Wiring for All WIRINGs Inside The System Chasis with High Performance Thermal Compound on CPU [+19] POWERSUPPLY: 850 Watts Power Supplies [+160] (Thermaltake ToughPower 850 Watts- NVIDIA GTX 8800 Certified [+5]) RUSH: NO; READY TO SHIP IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS SOFT: Microsoft?Works v8.5 [+9] SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS 24/7 LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO SPEAKERS: NONE [-95] TEMP: NONE (AS SHOWN) TVRC: None USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports UPS: None USBHD: NONE VIDEO: NEW!!! NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB 16X PCI Express (EVGA Superclocked Powered by NVIDIA [+11]) VIDEO2: NEW!!! NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB 16X PCI Express (EVGA Superclocked Powered by NVIDIA [+11]) VIDEOCAMERA: NONE WNC: PCI Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Interface Card [+19]I did my best to get it under $2000 but it creeped a bit over...need opinions on this pc build
    Looks like iBuyPower or CyberPower, so I'm going to say it's garbage.need opinions on this pc build
    I've heard that before, but I can't even get the individual parts that are there for as cheap as that build on cyberpower... I've priced every component by the same manufacturers as on that build and it comes back higher... I guess I'd rather have someone to blame if it doesn't work right, also... I put it together thinking I could do my own upgrading later.
    Id agree with Hiryuu when he says ibuypower and cyberpower is garbageanyway, I'll be back with a list of parts from newegg.com when their ****ty server stops crapping out on me
    I'd love to see what you can come up with.
    [QUOTE=''djsundowner'']I'd love to see what you can come up with.[/QUOTE] would you care to display your system specs of what you are looking for that isn't a wall of text with absolutely no punctuation or indentation?
    heh... sorry, couldn't paste it properly... basically its like this:http://e3ssltest.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.asp?ID=6765228that's the main components, the two raptors would be in raid 0, the build on cyberpower is only 1gig of ram because upgrading is to damn expensive (I would get 2 or eventually 4 from newegg), I took the big ol' case because I don't want to ever have to buy another one, I wanted enough power for SLI, hence the 850w psu, and I stuck with XP for compatibility issues but I do plan on upgrading this to Vista eventually.
    Okay... you're doing something horribly odd in Cyberpower, because I just went in and matched your configuration on the AMD SLi-Ready Build and the total comes out to $2,777 before tax or shipping. $3,071 after tax and shipping for me in CA.



    Getting most of the main components on newegg (I had 2GB of Patriot RAM instead, and a Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme instead) was at $2,100ish.. I hadn't picked up the OS, second Raptor drive, backup media drive or two optical drives yet. Everything else was in.
    you have to start with the gamer ultra xlc... I tried pricing it from different configurations and it came back much higher every time... must be a glitch or something as my cart says $2181 before the 5% discount... I almost have to buy it for that, right?
    [QUOTE=''djsundowner''] heh... sorry, couldn't paste it properly... basically its like this:http://e3ssltest.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.asp?ID=6765228that's the main components, the two raptors would be in raid 0, the build on cyberpower is only 1gig of ram because upgrading is to damn expensive (I would get 2 or eventually 4 from newegg), I took the big ol' case because I don't want to ever have to buy another one, I wanted enough power for SLI, hence the 850w psu, and I stuck with XP for compatibility issues but I do plan on upgrading this to Vista eventually. [/QUOTE] you need to make it a public wishlist
    it is shared... don't know why you can't see it...
    [QUOTE=''djsundowner'']you have to start with the gamer ultra xlc... I tried pricing it from different configurations and it came back much higher every time... must be a glitch or something as my cart says $2181 before the 5% discount... I almost have to buy it for that, right?[/QUOTE]

    mine came out to 2400 on the right hand cart... way cheaper, yeah. i don't get it :D
    [QUOTE=''djsundowner'']it is shared... don't know why you can't see it...[/QUOTE] wait, do I have to login?
    so, yeah, even if they do put it together poorly the parts I've chosen are decent at least and I should be able to get it put together properly...
    Cyberpower gets an ify from me. Some on here rave that it is a great site and others say Cyber sucks. Why are you going with AMD? I hope things turn out fine for you as for myself, I'd rather build a computer.:)
    I've never built one before and I don't want my first attempt to be a $2k investment. I chose AMD because it's quite a bit more affordable. And for the price they're giving me on there I can't even buy the individual components.
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