let me tell you why NEVER TO BUY A DELL!!!!!!

I just put together a spreadsheet calculating how much it would cost for me to build a system with the followingCPU: Intel Core 2 duo E6600
Case: Rosewill ATX Mid tower with side panel window
Power supply: 600 Watt OCZ StealthXStream PSU (remember, it has a total of 72 amps on the 12V rail)
Motherboard: Gigabyte P35 based mobo supporting up to 8GB of memory with DDR21066 supported
Memory: 2GB Geil DDR2800 (PC2-6400) dual channel mode
Hard drive: 320MB SATA Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM hard drive (do they come with the databurst cache?)
DVD drive: 20X DVD-RW with dual layer write capability and bundled DVD burning software
Video card: 320 MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS
Operating system: Windows XP professional
That comes to a total of: $1176.07Now, the same thing from dell (no peripherals) but with a few major differences
1: instead of the memory being DDR2 800, it was DDR2 667
2: rather than 20X DVD burner, it is a 16X DVD burner without bundled software
3: instead of an 8800 GTS, it has an 8600GTS
Now for the total: $1408!!!!!!LIFE LESSON #2 FROM 3535353535: DONT BUY A DELL:o:o:o:olet me tell you why NEVER TO BUY A DELL!!!!!!
Yes.. what did you expect?let me tell you why NEVER TO BUY A DELL!!!!!!
I'm pretty sure that just about anywhere would do the same thing. They just charge you for putting it together, and the convience factor.
[QUOTE=''giraffe176'']I'm pretty sure that just about anywhere would do the same thing. They just charge you for putting it together, and the convience factor.[/QUOTE] yeah, but say I wanted to sell that to you and charge for the parts + 15% for labor. you'd still save money!!! about50$,and you'd still get a much better system!! What gives!!!!!????:o:o
Let's also not forget how Dell use cheap parts that fail quickly.
[QUOTE=''yian'']Let's also not forget how Dell use cheap parts that fail quickly.[/QUOTE] aren't those parts in the system I listed really great? Cuz I thought they wereanyway, now I know that for gaming, dells are a waste of money, time, and space cuz you cant hardly upgrade them when you need to
Man, these Dell bashing thread are really getting very old.So you figured Dell is more expensive than building your own. Congratulations, you win the prize.What exactly is your point? That Dell is more expensive than building it yourself? Assuming your time building and supporting your own PC is worthless, then yes, this is true. Why are you beating this dead horse?For some of us, our time is very valuable. I'd rather spend it doing something else. So $2-300 for saving me the trouble of assembling it and a good warranty are worth it. Now it is I who is beating another dead horse.See what you made me do? Poor horse... :roll:
And don't forget the propriety motherboards. Yuck.
[QUOTE=''ZBoater''] Man, these Dell bashing thread are really getting very old.So you figured Dell is more expensive than building your own. Congratulations, you win the prize.What exactly is your point? That Dell is more expensive than building it yourself? Assuming your time building and supporting your own PC is worthless, then yes, this is true. Why are you beating this dead horse?For some of us, our time is very valuable. I'd rather spend it doing something else. So $2-300 for saving me the trouble of assembling it and a good warranty are worth it. Now it is I who is beating another dead horse.See what you made me do? Poor horse... :roll:[/QUOTE] I didn't think dells were THIS much more expensive. I thought they'd be about the same considering that the parts in the spreadsheet were a lot better, I didnt think that the dell would cost over 250$ moreplus, this kind of thread is rare, considering I actually displayed the numbers here
[QUOTE=''madrocketeer'']And don't forget the propriety motherboards. Yuck.[/QUOTE] There is nothing wrong with a proprietary motherboard if it works well and does what its supposed to. If you can build a PC with a proprietary motherboard, yet upgrade all the other components (like memory, video, hard drives, etc.) and still score 17800 on 3DMark06, what exactly is ''yucky'' about it?No, you cannot swap the motherboard with another one off the shelf. This is true. And if this is something you wanted to do, then no, Dell is not a good choice. However, if swapping out your motherboard is not high in your list of priorities, then there is no problem. For the next 4 years anything happens to my motherboard, Dell sends me a new one, and a tech to install it for me while I go outside to play with my dog. Sweet.
[QUOTE=''ZBoater''] [QUOTE=''madrocketeer'']And don't forget the propriety motherboards. Yuck.[/QUOTE] There is nothing wrong with a proprietary motherboard if it works well and does what its supposed to. If you can build a PC with a proprietary motherboard, yet upgrade all the other components (like memory, video, hard drives, etc.) and still score 17800 on 3DMark06, what exactly is ''yucky'' about it?No, you cannot swap the motherboard with another one off the shelf. This is true. And if this is something you wanted to do, then no, Dell is not a good choice. However, if swapping out your motherboard is not high in your list of priorities, then there is no problem. For the next 4 years anything happens to my motherboard, Dell sends me a new one, and a tech to install it for me while I go outside to play with my dog. Sweet.[/QUOTE] the problem with proprietary mobos is that when you need a new one, you need to get a new PC. I for one would rather just have to pony up the 100$ for a new mobo, rather than awhole new PC
[QUOTE=''353535355353535'']I didn't think dells were THIS much more expensive. I thought they'd be about the same considering that the parts in the spreadsheet were a lot better, I didnt think that the dell would cost over 250$ more plus, this kind of thread is rare, considering I actually displayed the numbers here[/QUOTE] When you are dealing with a $250 difference, every little detail counts, like discounts, shipping, warranty, anti-virus software, tax, etc. These comparisons leave all these little details out. I am not arguing that Dells are more expensive. What I am saying is that when its time to buy, you are either going to build one because you can (or want to) or you are not, and a few bucks difference is not going to matter. General statements like ''NEVER BUY A DELL'' completely ignore the users intent, interests and capabilities. Dell are perfectly good choices for SOME people, and not for others. What these threads do is bring out the uninformed bias out of the woodwork and comments like ''Dell is crap for gaming'', or ''Dell is crap'', yadda yadda yadda, a lot of this from folks who probably never owned a Dell and are just parroting what they read.Sorry for the rant. Didn't mean it against you personally. :D
[QUOTE=''ZBoater'']There is nothing wrong with a proprietary motherboard if it works well and does what its supposed to. If you can build a PC with a proprietary motherboard, yet upgrade all the other components (like memory, video, hard drives, etc.) and still score 17800 on 3DMark06, what exactly is ''yucky'' about it?



No, you cannot swap the motherboard with another one off the shelf. This is true. And if this is something you wanted to do, then no, Dell is not a good choice. However, if swapping out your motherboard is not high in your list of priorities, then there is no problem. For the next 4 years anything happens to my motherboard, Dell sends me a new one, and a tech to install it for me while I go outside to play with my dog. Sweet.[/QUOTE]



Well mate, I speak to you from the perspective of a semi-enthusiast who loves knuckling down and going DIY, so I'm obviously biased. Hence, yes, it is ''yucky'' - for me.
[QUOTE=''ZBoater''][QUOTE=''353535355353535'']I didn't think dells were THIS much more expensive. I thought they'd be about the same considering that the parts in the spreadsheet were a lot better, I didnt think that the dell would cost over 250$ more plus, this kind of thread is rare, considering I actually displayed the numbers here[/QUOTE] When you are dealing with a $250 difference, every little detail counts, like discounts, shipping, warranty, anti-virus software, tax, etc. These comparisons leave all these little details out. I am not arguing that Dells are more expensive. What I am saying is that when its time to buy, you are either going to build one because you can (or want to) or you are not, and a few bucks difference is not going to matter. General statements like ''NEVER BUY A DELL'' completely ignore the users intent, interests and capabilities. Dell are perfectly good choices for SOME people, and not for others. What these threads do is bring out the uninformed bias out of the woodwork and comments like ''Dell is crap for gaming'', or ''Dell is crap'', yadda yadda yadda, a lot of this from folks who probably never owned a Dell and are just parroting what they read.Sorry for the rant. Didn't mean it against you personally. :D[/QUOTE] actually, I have owned a dell in my time, and it was crap. It was used, I paid about 575 dollars for it. I couldent upgrade that PC for crap
[QUOTE=''353535355353535''][QUOTE=''ZBoater''][QUOTE=''353535355353535'']I didn't think dells were THIS much more expensive. I thought they'd be about the same considering that the parts in the spreadsheet were a lot better, I didnt think that the dell would cost over 250$ more plus, this kind of thread is rare, considering I actually displayed the numbers here[/QUOTE] When you are dealing with a $250 difference, every little detail counts, like discounts, shipping, warranty, anti-virus software, tax, etc. These comparisons leave all these little details out. I am not arguing that Dells are more expensive. What I am saying is that when its time to buy, you are either going to build one because you can (or want to) or you are not, and a few bucks difference is not going to matter. General statements like ''NEVER BUY A DELL'' completely ignore the users intent, interests and capabilities. Dell are perfectly good choices for SOME people, and not for others. What these threads do is bring out the uninformed bias out of the woodwork and comments like ''Dell is crap for gaming'', or ''Dell is crap'', yadda yadda yadda, a lot of this from folks who probably never owned a Dell and are just parroting what they read.Sorry for the rant. Didn't mean it against you personally. :D[/QUOTE] actually, I have owned a dell in my time, and it was crap. It was used, I paid about 575 dollars for it. I couldent upgrade that PC for crap[/QUOTE]

$575 for a computer, what did you expect a massively upgradable computer? to be honest, this thread is pointless because everyone knows having a custom computer built is more expensive then building your own, and dell is no exception. dell is a good option for people that want warranty's and people that dont have the time to build there own. and if i were a company i would pick up that share of the market in a heart beat
[QUOTE=''353535355353535'']I just put together a spreadsheet calculating how much it would cost for me to build a system with the followingCPU: Intel Core 2 duo E6600
Case: Rosewill ATX Mid tower with side panel window
Power supply: 600 Watt OCZ StealthXStream PSU (remember, it has a total of 72 amps on the 12V rail)
Motherboard: Gigabyte P35 based mobo supporting up to 8GB of memory with DDR21066 supported
Memory: 2GB Geil DDR2800 (PC2-6400) dual channel mode
Hard drive: 320MB SATA Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM hard drive (do they come with the databurst cache?)
DVD drive: 20X DVD-RW with dual layer write capability and bundled DVD burning software
Video card: 320 MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS
Operating system: Windows XP professional
That comes to a total of: $1176.07Now, the same thing from dell (no peripherals) but with a few major differences
1: instead of the memory being DDR2 800, it was DDR2 667
2: rather than 20X DVD burner, it is a 16X DVD burner without bundled software
3: instead of an 8800 GTS, it has an 8600GTS
Now for the total: $1408!!!!!!LIFE LESSON #2 FROM 3535353535: DONT BUY A DELL:o:o:o:o[/QUOTE]You forgot to include the LCD monitor in your build. :|ZBoater is right. Everyone already knew about this.Was it necessary to make a topic?
[QUOTE=''353535355353535''][QUOTE=''giraffe176'']I'm pretty sure that just about anywhere would do the same thing. They just charge you for putting it together, and the convience factor.[/QUOTE] yeah, but say I wanted to sell that to you and charge for the parts + 15% for labor. you'd still save money!!! about50$,and you'd still get a much better system!! What gives!!!!!????:o:o[/QUOTE]



When they do something stupid and fry their motherboard, are you going to cover the cost of the motherboard and then install it for free? What about any of the other components? It doesn't matter how cheaply you can build it - you still can't offer the same caliber of warranty that a large corporation can, and that is very important to many people...particularly people who don't know how to build their own computer.


I had many other comments to make, but Zboater said them all better than I could have anyway. Bravo to you Zboater for not being the biased, uninformed, fanboyish asshat that so many people here are.
[QUOTE=''353535355353535'']
Power supply: 600 Watt OCZ StealthXStream PSU (remember, it has a total of 72 amps on the 12V rail)[/QUOTE]No it doesn't - that would mean your +12v rail alone supports over 850w of power. Do your electrical math again, or even just read the sticker on the side of the power supply - it clearly states that its +12v, 3.3v, and 5v rails combined cannot all be more than 580w fully loaded, up to 155w of which can be 3.3v and 5v alone, which leaves you with around 420w or so, or about 35w on the +12v rail. Of course, odds are against those two rails being fully loaded - but still, assuming no load on the 3.3v and 5v rails whatsoever (a nearly impossible scenario), that's still less than 50w of power available on the +12v rail.
[QUOTE=''RayvinAzn''][QUOTE=''353535355353535'']
Power supply: 600 Watt OCZ StealthXStream PSU (remember, it has a total of 72 amps on the 12V rail)[/QUOTE]No it doesn't - that would mean your +12v rail alone supports over 850w of power. Do your electrical math again, or even just read the sticker on the side of the power supply - it clearly states that its +12v, 3.3v, and 5v rails combined cannot all be more than 580w fully loaded, up to 155w of which can be 3.3v and 5v alone, which leaves you with around 420w or so, or about 35w on the +12v rail. Of course, odds are against those two rails being fully loaded - but still, assuming no load on the 3.3v and 5v rails whatsoever (a nearly impossible scenario), that's still less than 50w of power available on the +12v rail. [/QUOTE] it has 4 12V rails with 18 amps each
[QUOTE=''Wesker776''][QUOTE=''353535355353535''] I just put together a spreadsheet calculating how much it would cost for me to build a system with the followingCPU: Intel Core 2 duo E6600
Case: Rosewill ATX Mid tower with side panel window
Power supply: 600 Watt OCZ StealthXStream PSU (remember, it has a total of 72 amps on the 12V rail)
Motherboard: Gigabyte P35 based mobo supporting up to 8GB of memory with DDR21066 supported
Memory: 2GB Geil DDR2800 (PC2-6400) dual channel mode
Hard drive: 320MB SATA Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM hard drive (do they come with the databurst cache?)
DVD drive: 20X DVD-RW with dual layer write capability and bundled DVD burning software
Video card: 320 MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS
Operating system: Windows XP professional
That comes to a total of: $1176.07Now, the same thing from dell (no peripherals) but with a few major differences
1: instead of the memory being DDR2 800, it was DDR2 667
2: rather than 20X DVD burner, it is a 16X DVD burner without bundled software
3: instead of an 8800 GTS, it has an 8600GTS
Now for the total: $1408!!!!!!LIFE LESSON #2 FROM 3535353535: DONT BUY A DELL:o:o:o:o[/QUOTE]You forgot to include the LCD monitor in your build. :|ZBoater is right. Everyone already knew about this.Was it necessary to make a topic?[/QUOTE] the dell computer doesnt have a monitor either